Ground Wire and Alternator?
12-19-2003, 12:54 PM
#51
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
And if it works, please buy the NAPA counter guy some donuts and
coffee. Helpful advice should be rewarded if it was offered free.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message news:<brtmqj$7b8in$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Silly me. I forgot all about those rubber mounts. I'll run some new
> grounds tomorrow. I think 10 gauge will work for the alternator to
> frame/body. I'd use bigger, but thats all I have available right now.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "
coffee. Helpful advice should be rewarded if it was offered free.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message news:<brtmqj$7b8in$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Silly me. I forgot all about those rubber mounts. I'll run some new
> grounds tomorrow. I think 10 gauge will work for the alternator to
> frame/body. I'd use bigger, but thats all I have available right now.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "
12-19-2003, 12:54 PM
#52
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
And if it works, please buy the NAPA counter guy some donuts and
coffee. Helpful advice should be rewarded if it was offered free.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message news:<brtmqj$7b8in$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Silly me. I forgot all about those rubber mounts. I'll run some new
> grounds tomorrow. I think 10 gauge will work for the alternator to
> frame/body. I'd use bigger, but thats all I have available right now.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "
coffee. Helpful advice should be rewarded if it was offered free.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message news:<brtmqj$7b8in$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Silly me. I forgot all about those rubber mounts. I'll run some new
> grounds tomorrow. I think 10 gauge will work for the alternator to
> frame/body. I'd use bigger, but thats all I have available right now.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "
12-19-2003, 10:45 PM
#53
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
type of mentality.
I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires, up
this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the way
up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it could've
been anything, if you know what I mean.
He sure is a shifty old bastard.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> alternators in a very short period.
>
> First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all my
> ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
etc.
> I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery is
> fine.
>
> Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing to
> the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
>
> Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good ground
> from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
Why
> would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the nearest
> body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
Too
> much resistance maybe?
>
> The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> stress and overheat. Thanks all.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>
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sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
type of mentality.
I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires, up
this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the way
up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it could've
been anything, if you know what I mean.
He sure is a shifty old bastard.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> alternators in a very short period.
>
> First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all my
> ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
etc.
> I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery is
> fine.
>
> Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing to
> the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
>
> Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good ground
> from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
Why
> would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the nearest
> body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
Too
> much resistance maybe?
>
> The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> stress and overheat. Thanks all.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>
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12-19-2003, 10:45 PM
#54
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
type of mentality.
I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires, up
this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the way
up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it could've
been anything, if you know what I mean.
He sure is a shifty old bastard.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> alternators in a very short period.
>
> First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all my
> ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
etc.
> I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery is
> fine.
>
> Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing to
> the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
>
> Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good ground
> from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
Why
> would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the nearest
> body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
Too
> much resistance maybe?
>
> The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> stress and overheat. Thanks all.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>
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sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
type of mentality.
I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires, up
this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the way
up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it could've
been anything, if you know what I mean.
He sure is a shifty old bastard.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> alternators in a very short period.
>
> First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all my
> ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
etc.
> I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery is
> fine.
>
> Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing to
> the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
>
> Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good ground
> from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
Why
> would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the nearest
> body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
Too
> much resistance maybe?
>
> The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> stress and overheat. Thanks all.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>
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12-19-2003, 10:45 PM
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
type of mentality.
I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires, up
this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the way
up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it could've
been anything, if you know what I mean.
He sure is a shifty old bastard.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> alternators in a very short period.
>
> First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all my
> ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
etc.
> I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery is
> fine.
>
> Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing to
> the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
>
> Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good ground
> from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
Why
> would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the nearest
> body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
Too
> much resistance maybe?
>
> The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> stress and overheat. Thanks all.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>
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sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
type of mentality.
I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires, up
this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the way
up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it could've
been anything, if you know what I mean.
He sure is a shifty old bastard.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> alternators in a very short period.
>
> First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all my
> ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
etc.
> I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery is
> fine.
>
> Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing to
> the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
>
> Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good ground
> from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
Why
> would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the nearest
> body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
Too
> much resistance maybe?
>
> The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> stress and overheat. Thanks all.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
>
>
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12-20-2003, 01:29 AM
#56
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various I-94
off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
clothing.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
> sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
> his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> type of mentality.
>
> I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
up
> this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
way
> up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
> Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
could've
> been anything, if you know what I mean.
>
> He sure is a shifty old bastard.
>
> --
> Matt
> '03 TJ Sport
> 91 kawasaki 650sx
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> > alternators in a very short period.
> >
> > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all
my
> > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
> etc.
> > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
is
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing
to
> > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> >
> > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
ground
> > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> Why
> > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
nearest
> > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> Too
> > much resistance maybe?
> >
> > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks Always !!!
> > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > Vail, CO.
> >
> >
>
>
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>
Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various I-94
off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
clothing.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
> sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
> his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> type of mentality.
>
> I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
up
> this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
way
> up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
> Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
could've
> been anything, if you know what I mean.
>
> He sure is a shifty old bastard.
>
> --
> Matt
> '03 TJ Sport
> 91 kawasaki 650sx
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> > alternators in a very short period.
> >
> > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all
my
> > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
> etc.
> > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
is
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing
to
> > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> >
> > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
ground
> > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> Why
> > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
nearest
> > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> Too
> > much resistance maybe?
> >
> > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks Always !!!
> > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > Vail, CO.
> >
> >
>
>
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12-20-2003, 01:29 AM
#57
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Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various I-94
off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
clothing.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
> sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
> his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> type of mentality.
>
> I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
up
> this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
way
> up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
> Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
could've
> been anything, if you know what I mean.
>
> He sure is a shifty old bastard.
>
> --
> Matt
> '03 TJ Sport
> 91 kawasaki 650sx
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> > alternators in a very short period.
> >
> > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all
my
> > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
> etc.
> > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
is
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing
to
> > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> >
> > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
ground
> > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> Why
> > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
nearest
> > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> Too
> > much resistance maybe?
> >
> > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks Always !!!
> > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > Vail, CO.
> >
> >
>
>
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>
Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various I-94
off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
clothing.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
> sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
> his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> type of mentality.
>
> I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
up
> this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
way
> up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
> Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
could've
> been anything, if you know what I mean.
>
> He sure is a shifty old bastard.
>
> --
> Matt
> '03 TJ Sport
> 91 kawasaki 650sx
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> > alternators in a very short period.
> >
> > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all
my
> > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
> etc.
> > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
is
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing
to
> > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> >
> > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
ground
> > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> Why
> > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
nearest
> > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> Too
> > much resistance maybe?
> >
> > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks Always !!!
> > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > Vail, CO.
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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>
12-20-2003, 01:29 AM
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various I-94
off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
clothing.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
> sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
> his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> type of mentality.
>
> I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
up
> this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
way
> up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
> Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
could've
> been anything, if you know what I mean.
>
> He sure is a shifty old bastard.
>
> --
> Matt
> '03 TJ Sport
> 91 kawasaki 650sx
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> > alternators in a very short period.
> >
> > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all
my
> > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
> etc.
> > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
is
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing
to
> > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> >
> > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
ground
> > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> Why
> > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
nearest
> > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> Too
> > much resistance maybe?
> >
> > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks Always !!!
> > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > Vail, CO.
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003
>
>
Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various I-94
off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
clothing.
--
Thanks Always !!!
Paul '75 CJ5 258
Vail, CO.
"Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do some
> sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some of
> his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> type of mentality.
>
> I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
up
> this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
way
> up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down in
> Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
could've
> been anything, if you know what I mean.
>
> He sure is a shifty old bastard.
>
> --
> Matt
> '03 TJ Sport
> 91 kawasaki 650sx
> "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch of
> > alternators in a very short period.
> >
> > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was pretty
> > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check all
my
> > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine, fenders,
> etc.
> > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
is
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator housing
to
> > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> >
> > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
ground
> > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> Why
> > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
nearest
> > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> Too
> > much resistance maybe?
> >
> > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks Always !!!
> > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > Vail, CO.
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003
>
>
12-20-2003, 08:08 PM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
I once flew into Denver to visit Paul, a few months ago actually. I grabbed
by luggage, went outside and waited at the curb. and waited some more. I
spotted a Nissan Sentra parked at a bar by the airport. It had the usual
Auto Zone stuff, pink pinstriping, curb feelers, neon lights and one of
those coffee can mufflers. Oh, and it had a real cheap alternator in it
too. the Jeep must've been vapor locked again.
I had a feeling it was his car. When I looked closer, I discovered it was
the Blue Oyster Bar. Apparently he was inside having a few Beam and cokes
with some "Special Guys".
His excuse was that they had drinks real cheap. He is a cheap bastard after
all.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bs0q0v$86mb0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
> Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various
I-94
> off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
> clothing.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> > Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do
some
> > sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some
of
> > his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> > type of mentality.
> >
> > I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
> up
> > this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
> way
> > up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down
in
> > Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> > sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
> could've
> > been anything, if you know what I mean.
> >
> > He sure is a shifty old bastard.
> >
> > --
> > Matt
> > '03 TJ Sport
> > 91 kawasaki 650sx
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch
of
> > > alternators in a very short period.
> > >
> > > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was
pretty
> > > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check
all
> my
> > > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine,
fenders,
> > etc.
> > > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
> is
> > > fine.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator
housing
> to
> > > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> > >
> > > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
> ground
> > > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> > Why
> > > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
> nearest
> > > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> > Too
> > > much resistance maybe?
> > >
> > > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks Always !!!
> > > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > > Vail, CO.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003
> >
> >
>
>
---
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by luggage, went outside and waited at the curb. and waited some more. I
spotted a Nissan Sentra parked at a bar by the airport. It had the usual
Auto Zone stuff, pink pinstriping, curb feelers, neon lights and one of
those coffee can mufflers. Oh, and it had a real cheap alternator in it
too. the Jeep must've been vapor locked again.
I had a feeling it was his car. When I looked closer, I discovered it was
the Blue Oyster Bar. Apparently he was inside having a few Beam and cokes
with some "Special Guys".
His excuse was that they had drinks real cheap. He is a cheap bastard after
all.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bs0q0v$86mb0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
> Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various
I-94
> off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
> clothing.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> > Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do
some
> > sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some
of
> > his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> > type of mentality.
> >
> > I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
> up
> > this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
> way
> > up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down
in
> > Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> > sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
> could've
> > been anything, if you know what I mean.
> >
> > He sure is a shifty old bastard.
> >
> > --
> > Matt
> > '03 TJ Sport
> > 91 kawasaki 650sx
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch
of
> > > alternators in a very short period.
> > >
> > > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was
pretty
> > > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check
all
> my
> > > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine,
fenders,
> > etc.
> > > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
> is
> > > fine.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator
housing
> to
> > > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> > >
> > > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
> ground
> > > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> > Why
> > > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
> nearest
> > > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> > Too
> > > much resistance maybe?
> > >
> > > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks Always !!!
> > > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > > Vail, CO.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003
> >
> >
>
>
---
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12-20-2003, 08:08 PM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ground Wire and Alternator?
I once flew into Denver to visit Paul, a few months ago actually. I grabbed
by luggage, went outside and waited at the curb. and waited some more. I
spotted a Nissan Sentra parked at a bar by the airport. It had the usual
Auto Zone stuff, pink pinstriping, curb feelers, neon lights and one of
those coffee can mufflers. Oh, and it had a real cheap alternator in it
too. the Jeep must've been vapor locked again.
I had a feeling it was his car. When I looked closer, I discovered it was
the Blue Oyster Bar. Apparently he was inside having a few Beam and cokes
with some "Special Guys".
His excuse was that they had drinks real cheap. He is a cheap bastard after
all.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bs0q0v$86mb0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
> Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various
I-94
> off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
> clothing.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> > Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do
some
> > sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some
of
> > his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> > type of mentality.
> >
> > I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
> up
> > this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
> way
> > up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down
in
> > Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> > sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
> could've
> > been anything, if you know what I mean.
> >
> > He sure is a shifty old bastard.
> >
> > --
> > Matt
> > '03 TJ Sport
> > 91 kawasaki 650sx
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch
of
> > > alternators in a very short period.
> > >
> > > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was
pretty
> > > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check
all
> my
> > > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine,
fenders,
> > etc.
> > > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
> is
> > > fine.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator
housing
> to
> > > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> > >
> > > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
> ground
> > > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> > Why
> > > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
> nearest
> > > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> > Too
> > > much resistance maybe?
> > >
> > > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks Always !!!
> > > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > > Vail, CO.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003
> >
> >
>
>
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003
by luggage, went outside and waited at the curb. and waited some more. I
spotted a Nissan Sentra parked at a bar by the airport. It had the usual
Auto Zone stuff, pink pinstriping, curb feelers, neon lights and one of
those coffee can mufflers. Oh, and it had a real cheap alternator in it
too. the Jeep must've been vapor locked again.
I had a feeling it was his car. When I looked closer, I discovered it was
the Blue Oyster Bar. Apparently he was inside having a few Beam and cokes
with some "Special Guys".
His excuse was that they had drinks real cheap. He is a cheap bastard after
all.
--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bs0q0v$86mb0$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Amber Alert, Matt is a master of disguise. Armed with his Trench coat, Tu
> Tu,and ripple wine he's a trooper. He can be found frequenting various
I-94
> off ramps in the Ann Arbor, MI. region. Use caution, he a wolf in sheeps
> clothing.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "Matt" <emailmatt9@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b39665f4ff3cdfc3065a7dea5e40cb98@news.teranew s.com...
> > Knowing Paul is a cheap bastard and all, I'd bet that he tried to do
some
> > sort of shifty trade deal with Bubba down at NAPA. Probably trade some
of
> > his kid's toys, or his dog's collar. He can't slip out of that AutoZone
> > type of mentality.
> >
> > I visited Paul last summer. We took his CJ, with the pink letter tires,
> up
> > this big *** mountain. It took all day.. We drank expired beer on the
> way
> > up the mountain, of which Paul scored at some discount booze store down
in
> > Denver. We must've bought about 7 cases of swill, dirt cheap. I wasn't
> > sure of what he was trading with them at the time, but with him, it
> could've
> > been anything, if you know what I mean.
> >
> > He sure is a shifty old bastard.
> >
> > --
> > Matt
> > '03 TJ Sport
> > 91 kawasaki 650sx
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:brtki2$7ffm7$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Okay, I went to NAPA after work to purchase a replacement alternator.
> > > Instead of just going through with the purchase, I decided to ask the
> > > counter guy what he thought about my situation of burning up a bunch
of
> > > alternators in a very short period.
> > >
> > > First, he said I definitely have a wiring problem. The store was
pretty
> > > busy so I just ask him what I should be checking. He said to check
all
> my
> > > ground connections from the battery to the alternator, engine,
fenders,
> > etc.
> > > I figured I'd be better off checking these first so I passed up the
> > > purchase. By the way, the hot lead from the alternator to the battery
> is
> > > fine.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I found that the ground wire coming off the alternator
housing
> to
> > > the metal fender had no continuity (bad). Great.
> > >
> > > Okay, this being my question. Why would it matter that I have good
> ground
> > > from the alternator housing to the block. The block which has good
> > > connection to the battery. The battery having good connection to the
> > > opposite fender, this is not the fender the alternator is grounded to.
> > Why
> > > would this be a problem not having a the short ground lead to the
> nearest
> > > body panel? Distance? Maybe too long a travel for a good connection?
> > Too
> > > much resistance maybe?
> > >
> > > The guy said that a bad ground would definitely cause my alternator to
> > > stress and overheat. Thanks all.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks Always !!!
> > > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > > Vail, CO.
> > >
> > >
> >
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