L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You've better be knocking on wood.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> I have no cat and no computer or smog crap and mine still passes!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

It only has to pass one more test Bill, then it is too old and exempt.
:-)

But yes, I knocked....

You know, a well tuned carb engine can actually read low and not be a
polluter.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> You've better be knocking on wood.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > I have no cat and no computer or smog crap and mine still passes!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

It only has to pass one more test Bill, then it is too old and exempt.
:-)

But yes, I knocked....

You know, a well tuned carb engine can actually read low and not be a
polluter.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> You've better be knocking on wood.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > I have no cat and no computer or smog crap and mine still passes!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

It only has to pass one more test Bill, then it is too old and exempt.
:-)

But yes, I knocked....

You know, a well tuned carb engine can actually read low and not be a
polluter.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> You've better be knocking on wood.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > I have no cat and no computer or smog crap and mine still passes!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

It only has to pass one more test Bill, then it is too old and exempt.
:-)

But yes, I knocked....

You know, a well tuned carb engine can actually read low and not be a
polluter.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> You've better be knocking on wood.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > I have no cat and no computer or smog crap and mine still passes!
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

breyfogle

You did not say whether your vehicle was stone cold before the test but it
is common knowledge in the PROC that the hotter the engine the cleaner it
tests. If the smog station ran the low speed test on a cold engine, all you
can do is never go there again !

Just as a reference, I always run 20 miles or so on the freeway before
pulling in for a smog check but even when I do that, it is not uncommon to
sit 15-30 minutes with the engine off before the test is run. Even so, my
box stock '83 258 has never come close to the GP limits.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10hq66eai2kog6a@corp.supernews.com...
> Living in the People's Republic of California has its ups and downs.
> Yesterday was a down, for a while.
>
> The Governor needs to make a yacht payment, so he sent me a vehicle
> registration renewal notice that demands me to make a trip to the local
Smog
> Station and support the yachting tastes of those guys. Anyway, they
attached
> a host of sensors and probes to my car while making it run a mile or so on
a
> treadmill.
>
> The treadmill part of the test seems to have been my undoing. They
> administer this test at two speeds, slow - 15mph - and fast - 25mph. My
car
> tripped the Gross Polluter flags and sirens during the low speed run on
the
> treadmill, but seemed to make the computers happy - or at least
satisfied -
> on the high speed run. The machine spit out a report that detailed the
crap
> being spewed from the tail pipe.
>
> The guy administering the test allowed me to take my car out to the
freeway
> and get off at the next exit and come back in, where he immediately
> administered the exact same test again, and within minutes of pulling back
> into the repair bay. On the second test, the car passed with flying
colors.
> The report that the machine spits out lists the max reading that is
allowed,
> and the actual reading that was measured.
>
> Two tests, the first a dismal failure and the second a shining example of
> automotive technology working to keep our skies clean and blue. The ONLY
> difference being a trip around the block, well down the freeway and back
to
> the shop. As a Gross Polluter, the NO at low speed tipped the counters at
> 1996, whatever that means. The allowable limit is 695 for this category,
so
> my car measured roughly 3 times the allowable limit. After the run around
> the block, this number came in at 130. The high speed test allowed 717,
and
> I got 587 as a GP, and 140 on the 2nd test. Carbon Monoxide and
Hydrocarbons
> are also tested and reported, as a Gross Polluter, these numbers exceeded
> the max allowable by factors of about 3, and when the car passed the
numbers
> tiny fractions of the same numbers when the Polluter flag was tripped.
>
> If the car can fail in the low speed test, and pass the high speed test,
> then drive around the block and pass both tests, why don't they do the
high
> speed test first so the low speed test has a better chance of passing?
>
> What I learned is that when you take an older car to the Smog ***** for
> yacht payment collections, mine is a '94 with nearly 200,000 miles, maybe
> you should leave it idling in the parking lot before the test is
> administered. I had come in from a 40+ mile commute, but they let the car
> sit for an hour before they got to it, so it cooled off so much that the
> smog stuff was not up to speed during the test.
>
>

breyfogle

You did not say whether your vehicle was stone cold before the test but it
is common knowledge in the PROC that the hotter the engine the cleaner it
tests. If the smog station ran the low speed test on a cold engine, all you
can do is never go there again !

Just as a reference, I always run 20 miles or so on the freeway before
pulling in for a smog check but even when I do that, it is not uncommon to
sit 15-30 minutes with the engine off before the test is run. Even so, my
box stock '83 258 has never come close to the GP limits.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10hq66eai2kog6a@corp.supernews.com...
> Living in the People's Republic of California has its ups and downs.
> Yesterday was a down, for a while.
>
> The Governor needs to make a yacht payment, so he sent me a vehicle
> registration renewal notice that demands me to make a trip to the local
Smog
> Station and support the yachting tastes of those guys. Anyway, they
attached
> a host of sensors and probes to my car while making it run a mile or so on
a
> treadmill.
>
> The treadmill part of the test seems to have been my undoing. They
> administer this test at two speeds, slow - 15mph - and fast - 25mph. My
car
> tripped the Gross Polluter flags and sirens during the low speed run on
the
> treadmill, but seemed to make the computers happy - or at least
satisfied -
> on the high speed run. The machine spit out a report that detailed the
crap
> being spewed from the tail pipe.
>
> The guy administering the test allowed me to take my car out to the
freeway
> and get off at the next exit and come back in, where he immediately
> administered the exact same test again, and within minutes of pulling back
> into the repair bay. On the second test, the car passed with flying
colors.
> The report that the machine spits out lists the max reading that is
allowed,
> and the actual reading that was measured.
>
> Two tests, the first a dismal failure and the second a shining example of
> automotive technology working to keep our skies clean and blue. The ONLY
> difference being a trip around the block, well down the freeway and back
to
> the shop. As a Gross Polluter, the NO at low speed tipped the counters at
> 1996, whatever that means. The allowable limit is 695 for this category,
so
> my car measured roughly 3 times the allowable limit. After the run around
> the block, this number came in at 130. The high speed test allowed 717,
and
> I got 587 as a GP, and 140 on the 2nd test. Carbon Monoxide and
Hydrocarbons
> are also tested and reported, as a Gross Polluter, these numbers exceeded
> the max allowable by factors of about 3, and when the car passed the
numbers
> tiny fractions of the same numbers when the Polluter flag was tripped.
>
> If the car can fail in the low speed test, and pass the high speed test,
> then drive around the block and pass both tests, why don't they do the
high
> speed test first so the low speed test has a better chance of passing?
>
> What I learned is that when you take an older car to the Smog ***** for
> yacht payment collections, mine is a '94 with nearly 200,000 miles, maybe
> you should leave it idling in the parking lot before the test is
> administered. I had come in from a 40+ mile commute, but they let the car
> sit for an hour before they got to it, so it cooled off so much that the
> smog stuff was not up to speed during the test.
>
>

breyfogle

You did not say whether your vehicle was stone cold before the test but it
is common knowledge in the PROC that the hotter the engine the cleaner it
tests. If the smog station ran the low speed test on a cold engine, all you
can do is never go there again !

Just as a reference, I always run 20 miles or so on the freeway before
pulling in for a smog check but even when I do that, it is not uncommon to
sit 15-30 minutes with the engine off before the test is run. Even so, my
box stock '83 258 has never come close to the GP limits.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10hq66eai2kog6a@corp.supernews.com...
> Living in the People's Republic of California has its ups and downs.
> Yesterday was a down, for a while.
>
> The Governor needs to make a yacht payment, so he sent me a vehicle
> registration renewal notice that demands me to make a trip to the local
Smog
> Station and support the yachting tastes of those guys. Anyway, they
attached
> a host of sensors and probes to my car while making it run a mile or so on
a
> treadmill.
>
> The treadmill part of the test seems to have been my undoing. They
> administer this test at two speeds, slow - 15mph - and fast - 25mph. My
car
> tripped the Gross Polluter flags and sirens during the low speed run on
the
> treadmill, but seemed to make the computers happy - or at least
satisfied -
> on the high speed run. The machine spit out a report that detailed the
crap
> being spewed from the tail pipe.
>
> The guy administering the test allowed me to take my car out to the
freeway
> and get off at the next exit and come back in, where he immediately
> administered the exact same test again, and within minutes of pulling back
> into the repair bay. On the second test, the car passed with flying
colors.
> The report that the machine spits out lists the max reading that is
allowed,
> and the actual reading that was measured.
>
> Two tests, the first a dismal failure and the second a shining example of
> automotive technology working to keep our skies clean and blue. The ONLY
> difference being a trip around the block, well down the freeway and back
to
> the shop. As a Gross Polluter, the NO at low speed tipped the counters at
> 1996, whatever that means. The allowable limit is 695 for this category,
so
> my car measured roughly 3 times the allowable limit. After the run around
> the block, this number came in at 130. The high speed test allowed 717,
and
> I got 587 as a GP, and 140 on the 2nd test. Carbon Monoxide and
Hydrocarbons
> are also tested and reported, as a Gross Polluter, these numbers exceeded
> the max allowable by factors of about 3, and when the car passed the
numbers
> tiny fractions of the same numbers when the Polluter flag was tripped.
>
> If the car can fail in the low speed test, and pass the high speed test,
> then drive around the block and pass both tests, why don't they do the
high
> speed test first so the low speed test has a better chance of passing?
>
> What I learned is that when you take an older car to the Smog ***** for
> yacht payment collections, mine is a '94 with nearly 200,000 miles, maybe
> you should leave it idling in the parking lot before the test is
> administered. I had come in from a 40+ mile commute, but they let the car
> sit for an hour before they got to it, so it cooled off so much that the
> smog stuff was not up to speed during the test.
>
>

breyfogle

You did not say whether your vehicle was stone cold before the test but it
is common knowledge in the PROC that the hotter the engine the cleaner it
tests. If the smog station ran the low speed test on a cold engine, all you
can do is never go there again !

Just as a reference, I always run 20 miles or so on the freeway before
pulling in for a smog check but even when I do that, it is not uncommon to
sit 15-30 minutes with the engine off before the test is run. Even so, my
box stock '83 258 has never come close to the GP limits.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10hq66eai2kog6a@corp.supernews.com...
> Living in the People's Republic of California has its ups and downs.
> Yesterday was a down, for a while.
>
> The Governor needs to make a yacht payment, so he sent me a vehicle
> registration renewal notice that demands me to make a trip to the local
Smog
> Station and support the yachting tastes of those guys. Anyway, they
attached
> a host of sensors and probes to my car while making it run a mile or so on
a
> treadmill.
>
> The treadmill part of the test seems to have been my undoing. They
> administer this test at two speeds, slow - 15mph - and fast - 25mph. My
car
> tripped the Gross Polluter flags and sirens during the low speed run on
the
> treadmill, but seemed to make the computers happy - or at least
satisfied -
> on the high speed run. The machine spit out a report that detailed the
crap
> being spewed from the tail pipe.
>
> The guy administering the test allowed me to take my car out to the
freeway
> and get off at the next exit and come back in, where he immediately
> administered the exact same test again, and within minutes of pulling back
> into the repair bay. On the second test, the car passed with flying
colors.
> The report that the machine spits out lists the max reading that is
allowed,
> and the actual reading that was measured.
>
> Two tests, the first a dismal failure and the second a shining example of
> automotive technology working to keep our skies clean and blue. The ONLY
> difference being a trip around the block, well down the freeway and back
to
> the shop. As a Gross Polluter, the NO at low speed tipped the counters at
> 1996, whatever that means. The allowable limit is 695 for this category,
so
> my car measured roughly 3 times the allowable limit. After the run around
> the block, this number came in at 130. The high speed test allowed 717,
and
> I got 587 as a GP, and 140 on the 2nd test. Carbon Monoxide and
Hydrocarbons
> are also tested and reported, as a Gross Polluter, these numbers exceeded
> the max allowable by factors of about 3, and when the car passed the
numbers
> tiny fractions of the same numbers when the Polluter flag was tripped.
>
> If the car can fail in the low speed test, and pass the high speed test,
> then drive around the block and pass both tests, why don't they do the
high
> speed test first so the low speed test has a better chance of passing?
>
> What I learned is that when you take an older car to the Smog ***** for
> yacht payment collections, mine is a '94 with nearly 200,000 miles, maybe
> you should leave it idling in the parking lot before the test is
> administered. I had come in from a 40+ mile commute, but they let the car
> sit for an hour before they got to it, so it cooled off so much that the
> smog stuff was not up to speed during the test.
>
>

William Oliveri

So, please remind me of the ups..........


bill


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10hq66eai2kog6a@corp.supernews.com...
> Living in the People's Republic of California has its ups and downs.
> Yesterday was a down, for a while.