Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
10-05-2003, 02:49 PM
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
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....
> Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
__
Steve
..
10-05-2003, 02:49 PM
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
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....
> Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
__
Steve
..
10-05-2003, 02:49 PM
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
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....
> Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
__
Steve
..
10-05-2003, 04:37 PM
#44
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
Yeah Stephen,
That's what I'm thinking. In terms of cost the 4.0L head route is about
the same as the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I had planned to have it looked at (the 4.0L head) before I put it on.
Also here:
http://monsterslayer.com/jeep/40Head/40Head.htm
suggests to get a 3-angle valve job.
The only downside to all of this is I won't be able to drive my jeep again
until finished. :-(
I guess the quicker route would be the adjustable fuel pressure regulator if
that does the trick.
I need to test the pressure first before going that route.
Another thing I need to worry about with the 4.0L head is the smog *****
here in California. I'm told the 4.0L head isn't exactly kosher but then I
had another jeep expert here in California tell me that he doesn't know how
they would tell the difference unless they looked up the serial. Odds are
(I hope) they won't even be bothered with that. I think they'll be so
pre-occupied with the MPI Kit they won't even look at the head.
As far as timelines go the Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator fits from now
until my next smog in March 2004. Then go to the 4.0L head after passing
smog and ready for spring.
Thanks,
Bill
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VIZfb.524$OU6.375788639@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> ...
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
>
> Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
> valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
> talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
> were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
> rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
That's what I'm thinking. In terms of cost the 4.0L head route is about
the same as the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I had planned to have it looked at (the 4.0L head) before I put it on.
Also here:
http://monsterslayer.com/jeep/40Head/40Head.htm
suggests to get a 3-angle valve job.
The only downside to all of this is I won't be able to drive my jeep again
until finished. :-(
I guess the quicker route would be the adjustable fuel pressure regulator if
that does the trick.
I need to test the pressure first before going that route.
Another thing I need to worry about with the 4.0L head is the smog *****
here in California. I'm told the 4.0L head isn't exactly kosher but then I
had another jeep expert here in California tell me that he doesn't know how
they would tell the difference unless they looked up the serial. Odds are
(I hope) they won't even be bothered with that. I think they'll be so
pre-occupied with the MPI Kit they won't even look at the head.
As far as timelines go the Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator fits from now
until my next smog in March 2004. Then go to the 4.0L head after passing
smog and ready for spring.
Thanks,
Bill
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VIZfb.524$OU6.375788639@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> ...
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
>
> Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
> valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
> talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
> were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
> rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
10-05-2003, 04:37 PM
#45
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
Yeah Stephen,
That's what I'm thinking. In terms of cost the 4.0L head route is about
the same as the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I had planned to have it looked at (the 4.0L head) before I put it on.
Also here:
http://monsterslayer.com/jeep/40Head/40Head.htm
suggests to get a 3-angle valve job.
The only downside to all of this is I won't be able to drive my jeep again
until finished. :-(
I guess the quicker route would be the adjustable fuel pressure regulator if
that does the trick.
I need to test the pressure first before going that route.
Another thing I need to worry about with the 4.0L head is the smog *****
here in California. I'm told the 4.0L head isn't exactly kosher but then I
had another jeep expert here in California tell me that he doesn't know how
they would tell the difference unless they looked up the serial. Odds are
(I hope) they won't even be bothered with that. I think they'll be so
pre-occupied with the MPI Kit they won't even look at the head.
As far as timelines go the Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator fits from now
until my next smog in March 2004. Then go to the 4.0L head after passing
smog and ready for spring.
Thanks,
Bill
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VIZfb.524$OU6.375788639@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> ...
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
>
> Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
> valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
> talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
> were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
> rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
That's what I'm thinking. In terms of cost the 4.0L head route is about
the same as the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I had planned to have it looked at (the 4.0L head) before I put it on.
Also here:
http://monsterslayer.com/jeep/40Head/40Head.htm
suggests to get a 3-angle valve job.
The only downside to all of this is I won't be able to drive my jeep again
until finished. :-(
I guess the quicker route would be the adjustable fuel pressure regulator if
that does the trick.
I need to test the pressure first before going that route.
Another thing I need to worry about with the 4.0L head is the smog *****
here in California. I'm told the 4.0L head isn't exactly kosher but then I
had another jeep expert here in California tell me that he doesn't know how
they would tell the difference unless they looked up the serial. Odds are
(I hope) they won't even be bothered with that. I think they'll be so
pre-occupied with the MPI Kit they won't even look at the head.
As far as timelines go the Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator fits from now
until my next smog in March 2004. Then go to the 4.0L head after passing
smog and ready for spring.
Thanks,
Bill
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VIZfb.524$OU6.375788639@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> ...
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
>
> Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
> valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
> talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
> were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
> rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
10-05-2003, 04:37 PM
#46
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
Yeah Stephen,
That's what I'm thinking. In terms of cost the 4.0L head route is about
the same as the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I had planned to have it looked at (the 4.0L head) before I put it on.
Also here:
http://monsterslayer.com/jeep/40Head/40Head.htm
suggests to get a 3-angle valve job.
The only downside to all of this is I won't be able to drive my jeep again
until finished. :-(
I guess the quicker route would be the adjustable fuel pressure regulator if
that does the trick.
I need to test the pressure first before going that route.
Another thing I need to worry about with the 4.0L head is the smog *****
here in California. I'm told the 4.0L head isn't exactly kosher but then I
had another jeep expert here in California tell me that he doesn't know how
they would tell the difference unless they looked up the serial. Odds are
(I hope) they won't even be bothered with that. I think they'll be so
pre-occupied with the MPI Kit they won't even look at the head.
As far as timelines go the Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator fits from now
until my next smog in March 2004. Then go to the 4.0L head after passing
smog and ready for spring.
Thanks,
Bill
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VIZfb.524$OU6.375788639@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> ...
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
>
> Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
> valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
> talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
> were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
> rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
That's what I'm thinking. In terms of cost the 4.0L head route is about
the same as the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I had planned to have it looked at (the 4.0L head) before I put it on.
Also here:
http://monsterslayer.com/jeep/40Head/40Head.htm
suggests to get a 3-angle valve job.
The only downside to all of this is I won't be able to drive my jeep again
until finished. :-(
I guess the quicker route would be the adjustable fuel pressure regulator if
that does the trick.
I need to test the pressure first before going that route.
Another thing I need to worry about with the 4.0L head is the smog *****
here in California. I'm told the 4.0L head isn't exactly kosher but then I
had another jeep expert here in California tell me that he doesn't know how
they would tell the difference unless they looked up the serial. Odds are
(I hope) they won't even be bothered with that. I think they'll be so
pre-occupied with the MPI Kit they won't even look at the head.
As far as timelines go the Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator fits from now
until my next smog in March 2004. Then go to the 4.0L head after passing
smog and ready for spring.
Thanks,
Bill
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:VIZfb.524$OU6.375788639@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> ...
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
>
> Black on one side of the white cone indicates bad or brand new
> valve guide seals... I'd guess yours are leaking. Sounds like you're
> talking yourself into putting that 4.0 head on... that's what Id do,
> were I you. I'd darn sure make sure that it was in fresh (read:
> rebuilt) condition before I swapped it in... big job.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
10-05-2003, 05:23 PM
#47
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
You couldn't change the timing there. Call the manufacturer and see
if you may reprogram the computer, that's easily done on after market
Ford and Chevy chips. Or your idea to increase the fuel pressure may do
it, by richening the mixture. Reminds me of an old carburated car
dieseling, we just have push throttle down to kill it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, what I mean to say is would the pickup distance make a difference that
> would effect/cause ping?
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Bill, could the pickup distance make a difference? I basically eyeballed
> > the distance from the balancer when I hooked it up. It looks as though it
> > would be between the required/recommended .020 to .060 distance. If
> > anything it could be too far away.
> >
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
> >
> > thanks,
> > bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F7FB781.8E1655D4@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yes, I meant retard the spark, but I doubt you may make a change
> > > with your setup, unless you can move the pickup in relation to the
> > > balancer.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > Yes, the kit came with the Harmonic Balancer and the pickup sensor.
> > If it
> > > > wasn't hooked up correctly I would expect the computer revealing a
> > problem
> > > > which it hasn't so far.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean pull the spark plug back? Do you mean continue
> pulling
> > the
> > > > timing back? Sorry, still new on these terms.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
if you may reprogram the computer, that's easily done on after market
Ford and Chevy chips. Or your idea to increase the fuel pressure may do
it, by richening the mixture. Reminds me of an old carburated car
dieseling, we just have push throttle down to kill it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, what I mean to say is would the pickup distance make a difference that
> would effect/cause ping?
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Bill, could the pickup distance make a difference? I basically eyeballed
> > the distance from the balancer when I hooked it up. It looks as though it
> > would be between the required/recommended .020 to .060 distance. If
> > anything it could be too far away.
> >
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
> >
> > thanks,
> > bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F7FB781.8E1655D4@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yes, I meant retard the spark, but I doubt you may make a change
> > > with your setup, unless you can move the pickup in relation to the
> > > balancer.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > Yes, the kit came with the Harmonic Balancer and the pickup sensor.
> > If it
> > > > wasn't hooked up correctly I would expect the computer revealing a
> > problem
> > > > which it hasn't so far.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean pull the spark plug back? Do you mean continue
> pulling
> > the
> > > > timing back? Sorry, still new on these terms.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
10-05-2003, 05:23 PM
#48
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
You couldn't change the timing there. Call the manufacturer and see
if you may reprogram the computer, that's easily done on after market
Ford and Chevy chips. Or your idea to increase the fuel pressure may do
it, by richening the mixture. Reminds me of an old carburated car
dieseling, we just have push throttle down to kill it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, what I mean to say is would the pickup distance make a difference that
> would effect/cause ping?
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Bill, could the pickup distance make a difference? I basically eyeballed
> > the distance from the balancer when I hooked it up. It looks as though it
> > would be between the required/recommended .020 to .060 distance. If
> > anything it could be too far away.
> >
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
> >
> > thanks,
> > bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F7FB781.8E1655D4@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yes, I meant retard the spark, but I doubt you may make a change
> > > with your setup, unless you can move the pickup in relation to the
> > > balancer.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > Yes, the kit came with the Harmonic Balancer and the pickup sensor.
> > If it
> > > > wasn't hooked up correctly I would expect the computer revealing a
> > problem
> > > > which it hasn't so far.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean pull the spark plug back? Do you mean continue
> pulling
> > the
> > > > timing back? Sorry, still new on these terms.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
if you may reprogram the computer, that's easily done on after market
Ford and Chevy chips. Or your idea to increase the fuel pressure may do
it, by richening the mixture. Reminds me of an old carburated car
dieseling, we just have push throttle down to kill it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, what I mean to say is would the pickup distance make a difference that
> would effect/cause ping?
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Bill, could the pickup distance make a difference? I basically eyeballed
> > the distance from the balancer when I hooked it up. It looks as though it
> > would be between the required/recommended .020 to .060 distance. If
> > anything it could be too far away.
> >
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
> >
> > thanks,
> > bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F7FB781.8E1655D4@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yes, I meant retard the spark, but I doubt you may make a change
> > > with your setup, unless you can move the pickup in relation to the
> > > balancer.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > Yes, the kit came with the Harmonic Balancer and the pickup sensor.
> > If it
> > > > wasn't hooked up correctly I would expect the computer revealing a
> > problem
> > > > which it hasn't so far.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean pull the spark plug back? Do you mean continue
> pulling
> > the
> > > > timing back? Sorry, still new on these terms.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
10-05-2003, 05:23 PM
#49
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Re: Got MPI. Now can't loose PING
You couldn't change the timing there. Call the manufacturer and see
if you may reprogram the computer, that's easily done on after market
Ford and Chevy chips. Or your idea to increase the fuel pressure may do
it, by richening the mixture. Reminds me of an old carburated car
dieseling, we just have push throttle down to kill it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, what I mean to say is would the pickup distance make a difference that
> would effect/cause ping?
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Bill, could the pickup distance make a difference? I basically eyeballed
> > the distance from the balancer when I hooked it up. It looks as though it
> > would be between the required/recommended .020 to .060 distance. If
> > anything it could be too far away.
> >
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
> >
> > thanks,
> > bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F7FB781.8E1655D4@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yes, I meant retard the spark, but I doubt you may make a change
> > > with your setup, unless you can move the pickup in relation to the
> > > balancer.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > Yes, the kit came with the Harmonic Balancer and the pickup sensor.
> > If it
> > > > wasn't hooked up correctly I would expect the computer revealing a
> > problem
> > > > which it hasn't so far.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean pull the spark plug back? Do you mean continue
> pulling
> > the
> > > > timing back? Sorry, still new on these terms.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
if you may reprogram the computer, that's easily done on after market
Ford and Chevy chips. Or your idea to increase the fuel pressure may do
it, by richening the mixture. Reminds me of an old carburated car
dieseling, we just have push throttle down to kill it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Well, what I mean to say is would the pickup distance make a difference that
> would effect/cause ping?
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:blodqh$eim2t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Bill, could the pickup distance make a difference? I basically eyeballed
> > the distance from the balancer when I hooked it up. It looks as though it
> > would be between the required/recommended .020 to .060 distance. If
> > anything it could be too far away.
> >
> > Also, any comments on the spark plug description in my original post?
> >
> > thanks,
> > bill
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F7FB781.8E1655D4@***.net...
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > Yes, I meant retard the spark, but I doubt you may make a change
> > > with your setup, unless you can move the pickup in relation to the
> > > balancer.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > William Oliveri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > Yes, the kit came with the Harmonic Balancer and the pickup sensor.
> > If it
> > > > wasn't hooked up correctly I would expect the computer revealing a
> > problem
> > > > which it hasn't so far.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean pull the spark plug back? Do you mean continue
> pulling
> > the
> > > > timing back? Sorry, still new on these terms.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> >
> >
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