I think you have elimintated linkage issues.

Sorry if it looked like I was saying this was the only thing, I never meant
to say that. What I meant to say was that among the possible things, the
linkage was cheap and easy, and would be a goold place to start.

Your Libby uses a constantly engaged fron differential, this means the front
tires will drive the front axle and driveshaft up to the tcase. From your
description, I am thinking you have trouble with the viscous coupling. You
could be having problems with the ball joints, but I am not sure this would
give the symptoms you described.

If the problem is the VC, you should have it serviced before it gets really
ugly. The job of the VC is to allow the front tires to travel longer arcs in
turns than the rear tires travel. The VC performs essentially the same task
as the differentials in your axles. The differentials are the large
bulb-like shapes in your axles, the rear diff is more or less in the center,
the front diff is offset. Scratch that, your LIbby has IFS (independent
front suspension), so the front diff is in the middle as well.








"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message
news:cn8i2g$co9$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10paqrhibia0u90@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:nncld.56776$km5.2258347@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>> > So you think that there is a greater chance of a maladjusted T-case
> lever
>> > than a dry or defective ball joint?.. on a vehicle with only 5000
> miles?..
>> > T-case problems would more likely show up whether turning or moving in
>> > a
>> > straight line..
>> >
>> Yes, either that or troubles with the viscous coupling in the tcase.
>>
>> Either way, the OP can experiment in various ways with the tcase shifter
> to
>> confirm or deny the tcase as the source of the problem.
>>
>> The ball joints will not make the steering wheel wobble, but the ujoints
>> could. Ujoints usually do not cause the steering wheel to wobble though,
> and
>> they almost never make a whining noise.
>>
>> Given the description of the symptoms by the OP, the trouble is in the
> tcase
>> somewhere. That or just maybe the front differential. My vote is on the
>> tcase.
>
> I have tried both Full time 4WD and 2WD making sure the lever is in the
> correct place. It makes the noise in both 2WD and 4WD. I have been
> keeping
> a very close eye on when it does it for the last week, interestingly it is
> much more likely to do it when I have a passenger and if the road is more
> bumpy as I'm going around the corner, that's probably why I can never seem
> to get it to happen when the dealership is open as during the day I tend
> to
> be on my own - I may take it in and get them to ride with me see if we can
> get the noise to come. It was very bad on friday night but I haven't had
> a
> peep from it this weekend!!
>
>

 

I think you have elimintated linkage issues.

Sorry if it looked like I was saying this was the only thing, I never meant
to say that. What I meant to say was that among the possible things, the
linkage was cheap and easy, and would be a goold place to start.

Your Libby uses a constantly engaged fron differential, this means the front
tires will drive the front axle and driveshaft up to the tcase. From your
description, I am thinking you have trouble with the viscous coupling. You
could be having problems with the ball joints, but I am not sure this would
give the symptoms you described.

If the problem is the VC, you should have it serviced before it gets really
ugly. The job of the VC is to allow the front tires to travel longer arcs in
turns than the rear tires travel. The VC performs essentially the same task
as the differentials in your axles. The differentials are the large
bulb-like shapes in your axles, the rear diff is more or less in the center,
the front diff is offset. Scratch that, your LIbby has IFS (independent
front suspension), so the front diff is in the middle as well.








"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message
news:cn8i2g$co9$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10paqrhibia0u90@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:nncld.56776$km5.2258347@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>> > So you think that there is a greater chance of a maladjusted T-case
> lever
>> > than a dry or defective ball joint?.. on a vehicle with only 5000
> miles?..
>> > T-case problems would more likely show up whether turning or moving in
>> > a
>> > straight line..
>> >
>> Yes, either that or troubles with the viscous coupling in the tcase.
>>
>> Either way, the OP can experiment in various ways with the tcase shifter
> to
>> confirm or deny the tcase as the source of the problem.
>>
>> The ball joints will not make the steering wheel wobble, but the ujoints
>> could. Ujoints usually do not cause the steering wheel to wobble though,
> and
>> they almost never make a whining noise.
>>
>> Given the description of the symptoms by the OP, the trouble is in the
> tcase
>> somewhere. That or just maybe the front differential. My vote is on the
>> tcase.
>
> I have tried both Full time 4WD and 2WD making sure the lever is in the
> correct place. It makes the noise in both 2WD and 4WD. I have been
> keeping
> a very close eye on when it does it for the last week, interestingly it is
> much more likely to do it when I have a passenger and if the road is more
> bumpy as I'm going around the corner, that's probably why I can never seem
> to get it to happen when the dealership is open as during the day I tend
> to
> be on my own - I may take it in and get them to ride with me see if we can
> get the noise to come. It was very bad on friday night but I haven't had
> a
> peep from it this weekend!!
>
>

 

I think you have elimintated linkage issues.

Sorry if it looked like I was saying this was the only thing, I never meant
to say that. What I meant to say was that among the possible things, the
linkage was cheap and easy, and would be a goold place to start.

Your Libby uses a constantly engaged fron differential, this means the front
tires will drive the front axle and driveshaft up to the tcase. From your
description, I am thinking you have trouble with the viscous coupling. You
could be having problems with the ball joints, but I am not sure this would
give the symptoms you described.

If the problem is the VC, you should have it serviced before it gets really
ugly. The job of the VC is to allow the front tires to travel longer arcs in
turns than the rear tires travel. The VC performs essentially the same task
as the differentials in your axles. The differentials are the large
bulb-like shapes in your axles, the rear diff is more or less in the center,
the front diff is offset. Scratch that, your LIbby has IFS (independent
front suspension), so the front diff is in the middle as well.








"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message
news:cn8i2g$co9$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10paqrhibia0u90@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:nncld.56776$km5.2258347@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>> > So you think that there is a greater chance of a maladjusted T-case
> lever
>> > than a dry or defective ball joint?.. on a vehicle with only 5000
> miles?..
>> > T-case problems would more likely show up whether turning or moving in
>> > a
>> > straight line..
>> >
>> Yes, either that or troubles with the viscous coupling in the tcase.
>>
>> Either way, the OP can experiment in various ways with the tcase shifter
> to
>> confirm or deny the tcase as the source of the problem.
>>
>> The ball joints will not make the steering wheel wobble, but the ujoints
>> could. Ujoints usually do not cause the steering wheel to wobble though,
> and
>> they almost never make a whining noise.
>>
>> Given the description of the symptoms by the OP, the trouble is in the
> tcase
>> somewhere. That or just maybe the front differential. My vote is on the
>> tcase.
>
> I have tried both Full time 4WD and 2WD making sure the lever is in the
> correct place. It makes the noise in both 2WD and 4WD. I have been
> keeping
> a very close eye on when it does it for the last week, interestingly it is
> much more likely to do it when I have a passenger and if the road is more
> bumpy as I'm going around the corner, that's probably why I can never seem
> to get it to happen when the dealership is open as during the day I tend
> to
> be on my own - I may take it in and get them to ride with me see if we can
> get the noise to come. It was very bad on friday night but I haven't had
> a
> peep from it this weekend!!
>
>

 

Y'know, I think you all may be looking in the wrong place...(he said,
ducking)

Here's another angle:

My neighbor has a 2000 GC that she bought new in '99. (yes, I
understand this thread is about a Libby)

Anyway, it wasn't long before she started getting a whining and
grinding noise in the front end. She took it back to the stealership
no less than 5 times in the course of 3 months. She told them it only
happens when she makes a few turns on her way home from work and when
she turns in to her driveway. Well, the mechanic(s) road tested it
and couldn't recreate the sound. I think they wrote her of as "the
crazy chick"... Long story short- she finally got the Service Manager
to ride all the way home with her and he did, in fact hear the noise.
3 more trips to the stealership and they couldn't fix the problem.
She ended up going thru the "lemon law" process and it was in
mediation<sp> when (literally) at the last minute, they said they had
new information regarding "HARMONIC BALANCE" in the fluid exchange in
the power steering pump!!(hoo-boy).... Well, no sh*t, they replaced
the power steering pump about 2 weeks later, (they apparently had to
wait for the "right one") and the problem mysteriously went away and
hasn't returned. I still don't believe that this was the problem, but
I swear this is a true story.

Just a thought!

John


<snip>

 

Y'know, I think you all may be looking in the wrong place...(he said,
ducking)

Here's another angle:

My neighbor has a 2000 GC that she bought new in '99. (yes, I
understand this thread is about a Libby)

Anyway, it wasn't long before she started getting a whining and
grinding noise in the front end. She took it back to the stealership
no less than 5 times in the course of 3 months. She told them it only
happens when she makes a few turns on her way home from work and when
she turns in to her driveway. Well, the mechanic(s) road tested it
and couldn't recreate the sound. I think they wrote her of as "the
crazy chick"... Long story short- she finally got the Service Manager
to ride all the way home with her and he did, in fact hear the noise.
3 more trips to the stealership and they couldn't fix the problem.
She ended up going thru the "lemon law" process and it was in
mediation<sp> when (literally) at the last minute, they said they had
new information regarding "HARMONIC BALANCE" in the fluid exchange in
the power steering pump!!(hoo-boy).... Well, no sh*t, they replaced
the power steering pump about 2 weeks later, (they apparently had to
wait for the "right one") and the problem mysteriously went away and
hasn't returned. I still don't believe that this was the problem, but
I swear this is a true story.

Just a thought!

John


<snip>

 

Y'know, I think you all may be looking in the wrong place...(he said,
ducking)

Here's another angle:

My neighbor has a 2000 GC that she bought new in '99. (yes, I
understand this thread is about a Libby)

Anyway, it wasn't long before she started getting a whining and
grinding noise in the front end. She took it back to the stealership
no less than 5 times in the course of 3 months. She told them it only
happens when she makes a few turns on her way home from work and when
she turns in to her driveway. Well, the mechanic(s) road tested it
and couldn't recreate the sound. I think they wrote her of as "the
crazy chick"... Long story short- she finally got the Service Manager
to ride all the way home with her and he did, in fact hear the noise.
3 more trips to the stealership and they couldn't fix the problem.
She ended up going thru the "lemon law" process and it was in
mediation<sp> when (literally) at the last minute, they said they had
new information regarding "HARMONIC BALANCE" in the fluid exchange in
the power steering pump!!(hoo-boy).... Well, no sh*t, they replaced
the power steering pump about 2 weeks later, (they apparently had to
wait for the "right one") and the problem mysteriously went away and
hasn't returned. I still don't believe that this was the problem, but
I swear this is a true story.

Just a thought!

John


<snip>

 

That isn't a hard story to believe. All parts have a percentage of
failures, you just hope they are on someone else's' vehicle... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

John R wrote:
>
> Y'know, I think you all may be looking in the wrong place...(he said,
> ducking)
>
> Here's another angle:
>
> My neighbor has a 2000 GC that she bought new in '99. (yes, I
> understand this thread is about a Libby)
>
> Anyway, it wasn't long before she started getting a whining and
> grinding noise in the front end. She took it back to the stealership
> no less than 5 times in the course of 3 months. She told them it only
> happens when she makes a few turns on her way home from work and when
> she turns in to her driveway. Well, the mechanic(s) road tested it
> and couldn't recreate the sound. I think they wrote her of as "the
> crazy chick"... Long story short- she finally got the Service Manager
> to ride all the way home with her and he did, in fact hear the noise.
> 3 more trips to the stealership and they couldn't fix the problem.
> She ended up going thru the "lemon law" process and it was in
> mediation<sp> when (literally) at the last minute, they said they had
> new information regarding "HARMONIC BALANCE" in the fluid exchange in
> the power steering pump!!(hoo-boy).... Well, no sh*t, they replaced
> the power steering pump about 2 weeks later, (they apparently had to
> wait for the "right one") and the problem mysteriously went away and
> hasn't returned. I still don't believe that this was the problem, but
> I swear this is a true story.
>
> Just a thought!
>
> John
>
> <snip>

 

That isn't a hard story to believe. All parts have a percentage of
failures, you just hope they are on someone else's' vehicle... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

John R wrote:
>
> Y'know, I think you all may be looking in the wrong place...(he said,
> ducking)
>
> Here's another angle:
>
> My neighbor has a 2000 GC that she bought new in '99. (yes, I
> understand this thread is about a Libby)
>
> Anyway, it wasn't long before she started getting a whining and
> grinding noise in the front end. She took it back to the stealership
> no less than 5 times in the course of 3 months. She told them it only
> happens when she makes a few turns on her way home from work and when
> she turns in to her driveway. Well, the mechanic(s) road tested it
> and couldn't recreate the sound. I think they wrote her of as "the
> crazy chick"... Long story short- she finally got the Service Manager
> to ride all the way home with her and he did, in fact hear the noise.
> 3 more trips to the stealership and they couldn't fix the problem.
> She ended up going thru the "lemon law" process and it was in
> mediation<sp> when (literally) at the last minute, they said they had
> new information regarding "HARMONIC BALANCE" in the fluid exchange in
> the power steering pump!!(hoo-boy).... Well, no sh*t, they replaced
> the power steering pump about 2 weeks later, (they apparently had to
> wait for the "right one") and the problem mysteriously went away and
> hasn't returned. I still don't believe that this was the problem, but
> I swear this is a true story.
>
> Just a thought!
>
> John
>
> <snip>

 

That isn't a hard story to believe. All parts have a percentage of
failures, you just hope they are on someone else's' vehicle... ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

John R wrote:
>
> Y'know, I think you all may be looking in the wrong place...(he said,
> ducking)
>
> Here's another angle:
>
> My neighbor has a 2000 GC that she bought new in '99. (yes, I
> understand this thread is about a Libby)
>
> Anyway, it wasn't long before she started getting a whining and
> grinding noise in the front end. She took it back to the stealership
> no less than 5 times in the course of 3 months. She told them it only
> happens when she makes a few turns on her way home from work and when
> she turns in to her driveway. Well, the mechanic(s) road tested it
> and couldn't recreate the sound. I think they wrote her of as "the
> crazy chick"... Long story short- she finally got the Service Manager
> to ride all the way home with her and he did, in fact hear the noise.
> 3 more trips to the stealership and they couldn't fix the problem.
> She ended up going thru the "lemon law" process and it was in
> mediation<sp> when (literally) at the last minute, they said they had
> new information regarding "HARMONIC BALANCE" in the fluid exchange in
> the power steering pump!!(hoo-boy).... Well, no sh*t, they replaced
> the power steering pump about 2 weeks later, (they apparently had to
> wait for the "right one") and the problem mysteriously went away and
> hasn't returned. I still don't believe that this was the problem, but
> I swear this is a true story.
>
> Just a thought!
>
> John
>
> <snip>

 

That's the only reason they give (?) us warranties, it's to limit
their liability.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That isn't a hard story to believe. All parts have a percentage of
> failures, you just hope they are on someone else's' vehicle... ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's