I would enjoy sharing some of those Scottish beers with you Dave, I hear you
Scots have some great beers! I hope it's not too long before my family and
I can get to Scotland, it'd be great to meet you after all these years.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:UUq%c.2707$CX.27217107@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Plenty of beer for you to try as well :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:pQq%c.77780$yh.64954@fed1read05...
>> Dave, I sure hope I can take my family to tour Scotland some day. If we
> do,
>> and that is a major goal of mine, I'll see if we can't hook up so we can
> all
>> have a good time avoiding haggis in that haute cuisine restaurant you
>> were
>> in yesterday. Anything but haggis is on my list of Scottish foods to
>> try.
>> Well, maybe a few bites of a good haggis wouldn't hurt, eh? :)
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:0zq%c.2697$Tc.26634262@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> > Well, you got it in one. Haggis was a dish for people who couldn't
> afford
>> > any red meat, let alone the prime Aberdeen Angus Steak*. Tourism has
>> > promoted haggis to a delicacy status which it doesn't deserve.
>> > Nevertheless,
>> > I had an entree of "haggis in filo pastry with a reduced redcurrant
>> > jus"
>> > yesterday in a nice restaurant, so there is no telling how cultured our
>> > food
>> > can become ! A wee bit like meself, ye ken ?
>> >
>> > * Steak - you call Rump steak Sirloin, not to be confused with Sirloin
>> > which
>> > you call Porterhouse.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> > "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:frmdnZnAeJfDjKHcRVn-> Only Scottish thriftiness could take a
> stomach
>> > and make either dinner or a
>> >> musical instrument (bagpipes) out of it. Both of which are, shall we
>> >> say,
>> >> an acquired taste?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

Sounds like a plan !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:AXq%c.77783$yh.43743@fed1read05...
> I would enjoy sharing some of those Scottish beers with you Dave, I hear
you
> Scots have some great beers! I hope it's not too long before my family
and
> I can get to Scotland, it'd be great to meet you after all these years.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:UUq%c.2707$CX.27217107@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Plenty of beer for you to try as well :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:pQq%c.77780$yh.64954@fed1read05...
> >> Dave, I sure hope I can take my family to tour Scotland some day. If
we
> > do,
> >> and that is a major goal of mine, I'll see if we can't hook up so we
can
> > all
> >> have a good time avoiding haggis in that haute cuisine restaurant you
> >> were
> >> in yesterday. Anything but haggis is on my list of Scottish foods to
> >> try.
> >> Well, maybe a few bites of a good haggis wouldn't hurt, eh? :)
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:0zq%c.2697$Tc.26634262@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >> > Well, you got it in one. Haggis was a dish for people who couldn't
> > afford
> >> > any red meat, let alone the prime Aberdeen Angus Steak*. Tourism has
> >> > promoted haggis to a delicacy status which it doesn't deserve.
> >> > Nevertheless,
> >> > I had an entree of "haggis in filo pastry with a reduced redcurrant
> >> > jus"
> >> > yesterday in a nice restaurant, so there is no telling how cultured
our
> >> > food
> >> > can become ! A wee bit like meself, ye ken ?
> >> >
> >> > * Steak - you call Rump steak Sirloin, not to be confused with
Sirloin
> >> > which
> >> > you call Porterhouse.
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:frmdnZnAeJfDjKHcRVn-> Only Scottish thriftiness could take a
> > stomach
> >> > and make either dinner or a
> >> >> musical instrument (bagpipes) out of it. Both of which are, shall
we
> >> >> say,
> >> >> an acquired taste?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Sounds like a plan !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:AXq%c.77783$yh.43743@fed1read05...
> I would enjoy sharing some of those Scottish beers with you Dave, I hear
you
> Scots have some great beers! I hope it's not too long before my family
and
> I can get to Scotland, it'd be great to meet you after all these years.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:UUq%c.2707$CX.27217107@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Plenty of beer for you to try as well :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:pQq%c.77780$yh.64954@fed1read05...
> >> Dave, I sure hope I can take my family to tour Scotland some day. If
we
> > do,
> >> and that is a major goal of mine, I'll see if we can't hook up so we
can
> > all
> >> have a good time avoiding haggis in that haute cuisine restaurant you
> >> were
> >> in yesterday. Anything but haggis is on my list of Scottish foods to
> >> try.
> >> Well, maybe a few bites of a good haggis wouldn't hurt, eh? :)
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:0zq%c.2697$Tc.26634262@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >> > Well, you got it in one. Haggis was a dish for people who couldn't
> > afford
> >> > any red meat, let alone the prime Aberdeen Angus Steak*. Tourism has
> >> > promoted haggis to a delicacy status which it doesn't deserve.
> >> > Nevertheless,
> >> > I had an entree of "haggis in filo pastry with a reduced redcurrant
> >> > jus"
> >> > yesterday in a nice restaurant, so there is no telling how cultured
our
> >> > food
> >> > can become ! A wee bit like meself, ye ken ?
> >> >
> >> > * Steak - you call Rump steak Sirloin, not to be confused with
Sirloin
> >> > which
> >> > you call Porterhouse.
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:frmdnZnAeJfDjKHcRVn-> Only Scottish thriftiness could take a
> > stomach
> >> > and make either dinner or a
> >> >> musical instrument (bagpipes) out of it. Both of which are, shall
we
> >> >> say,
> >> >> an acquired taste?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Sounds like a plan !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:AXq%c.77783$yh.43743@fed1read05...
> I would enjoy sharing some of those Scottish beers with you Dave, I hear
you
> Scots have some great beers! I hope it's not too long before my family
and
> I can get to Scotland, it'd be great to meet you after all these years.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:UUq%c.2707$CX.27217107@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Plenty of beer for you to try as well :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:pQq%c.77780$yh.64954@fed1read05...
> >> Dave, I sure hope I can take my family to tour Scotland some day. If
we
> > do,
> >> and that is a major goal of mine, I'll see if we can't hook up so we
can
> > all
> >> have a good time avoiding haggis in that haute cuisine restaurant you
> >> were
> >> in yesterday. Anything but haggis is on my list of Scottish foods to
> >> try.
> >> Well, maybe a few bites of a good haggis wouldn't hurt, eh? :)
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:0zq%c.2697$Tc.26634262@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >> > Well, you got it in one. Haggis was a dish for people who couldn't
> > afford
> >> > any red meat, let alone the prime Aberdeen Angus Steak*. Tourism has
> >> > promoted haggis to a delicacy status which it doesn't deserve.
> >> > Nevertheless,
> >> > I had an entree of "haggis in filo pastry with a reduced redcurrant
> >> > jus"
> >> > yesterday in a nice restaurant, so there is no telling how cultured
our
> >> > food
> >> > can become ! A wee bit like meself, ye ken ?
> >> >
> >> > * Steak - you call Rump steak Sirloin, not to be confused with
Sirloin
> >> > which
> >> > you call Porterhouse.
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:frmdnZnAeJfDjKHcRVn-> Only Scottish thriftiness could take a
> > stomach
> >> > and make either dinner or a
> >> >> musical instrument (bagpipes) out of it. Both of which are, shall
we
> >> >> say,
> >> >> an acquired taste?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Folks can do the opposite swap with little difficulty it seems so if the
258 intake fits on their 4.0 head swaps, it would fit on a TJ's head.

Companies like Mallory make points distributors still. I was looking
into going points in my 86 to eliminate all the 'computers'.

I do not know how tied in the body computer is but it still is a
potential trouble spot. It now controls stuff like the voltage
regulator and speedo maybe. Maybe the speedo has it's own module, I am
not sure.

Maybe he could retrofit a real alternator in there like a GM one wire
and if the speedo has it's own brain it would be ok or maybe retrofit a
mechanical one.

I personally think the 4.0 could be made into a real power house with a
carb, nice intake, headers and a hot spark. ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often ******.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

 

Folks can do the opposite swap with little difficulty it seems so if the
258 intake fits on their 4.0 head swaps, it would fit on a TJ's head.

Companies like Mallory make points distributors still. I was looking
into going points in my 86 to eliminate all the 'computers'.

I do not know how tied in the body computer is but it still is a
potential trouble spot. It now controls stuff like the voltage
regulator and speedo maybe. Maybe the speedo has it's own module, I am
not sure.

Maybe he could retrofit a real alternator in there like a GM one wire
and if the speedo has it's own brain it would be ok or maybe retrofit a
mechanical one.

I personally think the 4.0 could be made into a real power house with a
carb, nice intake, headers and a hot spark. ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often ******.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

 

Folks can do the opposite swap with little difficulty it seems so if the
258 intake fits on their 4.0 head swaps, it would fit on a TJ's head.

Companies like Mallory make points distributors still. I was looking
into going points in my 86 to eliminate all the 'computers'.

I do not know how tied in the body computer is but it still is a
potential trouble spot. It now controls stuff like the voltage
regulator and speedo maybe. Maybe the speedo has it's own module, I am
not sure.

Maybe he could retrofit a real alternator in there like a GM one wire
and if the speedo has it's own brain it would be ok or maybe retrofit a
mechanical one.

I personally think the 4.0 could be made into a real power house with a
carb, nice intake, headers and a hot spark. ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ted Azito wrote:
>
> I talked with a guy who has a current 4.0 liter TJ and wants to get
> rid of the computer. Never mind why...
>
> Can he get a carbureted manifold for this head and put a points or
> electronic distributor in where the stub thing goes now, without major
> problems getting the body computer to do its stuff (run the speedo, et
> al)? Or use an aftermarket computer to run the FI , its existing
> manifold and injectors?
>
> He has a real transmission, but if he had a slushbox, would that be a
> big problem?
>
> (I told him to plug the injector holes, put a propane mixer on the
> front, and run propane...but he didn't like that idea. In all honesty
> propane is more than gas out here and stations are often ******.)
>
> We are both in a state where pretty much anything goes as long as it
> still has what resembles a Catalyst in the exhaust. Punching them is a
> fine art out here. (Next state over they don't even have inspections!)

 

One wire alternators, for those who haven't figured it out, are Bad
News.

"Contact" magazine, a publication for experimental aircraft people
who want to Experiment and not build cookie cutter airplanes with
overpriced junk Lycomings,explains this in a recent excellent article.
They would not appreciate me scanning it and posting it but it
essentially says that one wire alternators have a failure mode,
voltage runaway, that is the most damaging possible thing.

The auto companies don't build one wire alternators even though it
would be easier and cheaper. They would save on wire, connectors, et
al.

A really professional electrical system install would have both BAT
and ALT master switches, just like Cessnas and Pipers that use auto
alternators (with the FAA's blessing like Hot Dogs at Friday night
church carnivals in the minnow muncher days, and as necessary...) and
a crowbar circuit on the buses for engine and body ECMs, and the
radio.

 

One wire alternators, for those who haven't figured it out, are Bad
News.

"Contact" magazine, a publication for experimental aircraft people
who want to Experiment and not build cookie cutter airplanes with
overpriced junk Lycomings,explains this in a recent excellent article.
They would not appreciate me scanning it and posting it but it
essentially says that one wire alternators have a failure mode,
voltage runaway, that is the most damaging possible thing.

The auto companies don't build one wire alternators even though it
would be easier and cheaper. They would save on wire, connectors, et
al.

A really professional electrical system install would have both BAT
and ALT master switches, just like Cessnas and Pipers that use auto
alternators (with the FAA's blessing like Hot Dogs at Friday night
church carnivals in the minnow muncher days, and as necessary...) and
a crowbar circuit on the buses for engine and body ECMs, and the
radio.

 

One wire alternators, for those who haven't figured it out, are Bad
News.

"Contact" magazine, a publication for experimental aircraft people
who want to Experiment and not build cookie cutter airplanes with
overpriced junk Lycomings,explains this in a recent excellent article.
They would not appreciate me scanning it and posting it but it
essentially says that one wire alternators have a failure mode,
voltage runaway, that is the most damaging possible thing.

The auto companies don't build one wire alternators even though it
would be easier and cheaper. They would save on wire, connectors, et
al.

A really professional electrical system install would have both BAT
and ALT master switches, just like Cessnas and Pipers that use auto
alternators (with the FAA's blessing like Hot Dogs at Friday night
church carnivals in the minnow muncher days, and as necessary...) and
a crowbar circuit on the buses for engine and body ECMs, and the
radio.