billy ray

I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.

On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
including tax.

But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>
>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
>> so
>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>
>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>> AMC
>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>> a
>> while when it would happen again.
>>
>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>
>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..

billy ray

I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.

On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
including tax.

But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>
>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
>> so
>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>
>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>> AMC
>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>> a
>> while when it would happen again.
>>
>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>
>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..

billy ray

The ground clearance is the same 8.5 inches on the SRT8 6.1liter Hemi
pictured as the Laredo.

The spoiler and ground effects package makes the difference as the Approach
Angle (degrees) is less than half (15.8/34) and the departure angle
difference ( in degrees) is 19.7/27.1

The model you picture is available in 4WD but lacks the 4X4 badge, the Trail
Rated badge, and has NO off-road option package available. The HO 6.1 liter
Hemi (that does not disable cylinders for better mileage/emissions) is not
marketed to people who need serious towing power as this model has no
available factory trailer hitch available.

Also of note is the 285/40ZR20 AllSeason Performance Tires..

This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta, wanna
look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires to
be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
homies on suede leather seats

Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.




"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BD90.85EDE443@***.net...
> Look at how low the WJ is, looks like a low rider, complete with
> spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made
>> more
>> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
>> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.

billy ray

The ground clearance is the same 8.5 inches on the SRT8 6.1liter Hemi
pictured as the Laredo.

The spoiler and ground effects package makes the difference as the Approach
Angle (degrees) is less than half (15.8/34) and the departure angle
difference ( in degrees) is 19.7/27.1

The model you picture is available in 4WD but lacks the 4X4 badge, the Trail
Rated badge, and has NO off-road option package available. The HO 6.1 liter
Hemi (that does not disable cylinders for better mileage/emissions) is not
marketed to people who need serious towing power as this model has no
available factory trailer hitch available.

Also of note is the 285/40ZR20 AllSeason Performance Tires..

This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta, wanna
look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires to
be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
homies on suede leather seats

Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.




"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BD90.85EDE443@***.net...
> Look at how low the WJ is, looks like a low rider, complete with
> spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made
>> more
>> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
>> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.

billy ray

The ground clearance is the same 8.5 inches on the SRT8 6.1liter Hemi
pictured as the Laredo.

The spoiler and ground effects package makes the difference as the Approach
Angle (degrees) is less than half (15.8/34) and the departure angle
difference ( in degrees) is 19.7/27.1

The model you picture is available in 4WD but lacks the 4X4 badge, the Trail
Rated badge, and has NO off-road option package available. The HO 6.1 liter
Hemi (that does not disable cylinders for better mileage/emissions) is not
marketed to people who need serious towing power as this model has no
available factory trailer hitch available.

Also of note is the 285/40ZR20 AllSeason Performance Tires..

This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta, wanna
look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires to
be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
homies on suede leather seats

Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.




"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BD90.85EDE443@***.net...
> Look at how low the WJ is, looks like a low rider, complete with
> spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made
>> more
>> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
>> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.

Earle Horton

Their money is just as good as ours.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
---snippy---
>
> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta, wanna
> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires
to
> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
> homies on suede leather seats
>
> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>
---snippy---

Earle Horton

Their money is just as good as ours.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
---snippy---
>
> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta, wanna
> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires
to
> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
> homies on suede leather seats
>
> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>
---snippy---

Earle Horton

Their money is just as good as ours.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
---snippy---
>
> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta, wanna
> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires
to
> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
> homies on suede leather seats
>
> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>
---snippy---

Earle Horton

AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."

One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
rotor installed.

Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
> >
> > I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
the
> > history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
at
> > the road manners of the AWD.
> >
> > My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
maintenance so
> > it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >
> > I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> > dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
a
> > while when it would happen again.
> >
> > Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >
> > I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..

Earle Horton

AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."

One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
rotor installed.

Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
> >
> > I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
the
> > history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
at
> > the road manners of the AWD.
> >
> > My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
maintenance so
> > it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >
> > I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> > dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
a
> > while when it would happen again.
> >
> > Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >
> > I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..