General Comment
01-25-2006, 03:23 AM
#61
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Re: General Comment
AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
rotor installed.
Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
> >
> > I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
the
> > history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
at
> > the road manners of the AWD.
> >
> > My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
maintenance so
> > it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >
> > I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> > dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
a
> > while when it would happen again.
> >
> > Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >
> > I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
rotor installed.
Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
> >
> > I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
the
> > history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
at
> > the road manners of the AWD.
> >
> > My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
maintenance so
> > it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >
> > I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> > dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
a
> > while when it would happen again.
> >
> > Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >
> > I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
01-25-2006, 07:45 AM
#62
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Re: General Comment
I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC part,
or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
>I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
>referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
>
> On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
> was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> including tax.
>
> But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>>> the
>>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>>> at
>>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>>> maintenance so
>>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>>> AMC
>>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>>> a
>>> while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
>I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
>referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
>
> On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
> was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> including tax.
>
> But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>>> the
>>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>>> at
>>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>>> maintenance so
>>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>>> AMC
>>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>>> a
>>> while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
01-25-2006, 07:45 AM
#63
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Re: General Comment
I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC part,
or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
>I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
>referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
>
> On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
> was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> including tax.
>
> But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>>> the
>>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>>> at
>>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>>> maintenance so
>>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>>> AMC
>>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>>> a
>>> while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
>I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
>referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
>
> On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
> was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> including tax.
>
> But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>>> the
>>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>>> at
>>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>>> maintenance so
>>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>>> AMC
>>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>>> a
>>> while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
01-25-2006, 07:45 AM
#64
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Re: General Comment
I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC part,
or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
>I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
>referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
>
> On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
> was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> including tax.
>
> But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>>> the
>>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>>> at
>>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>>> maintenance so
>>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>>> AMC
>>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>>> a
>>> while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
Tomes
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
>I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
>referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
>
> On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
> was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> including tax.
>
> But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> billy ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>>> the
>>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>>> at
>>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>>> maintenance so
>>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>>> AMC
>>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>>> a
>>> while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
01-25-2006, 07:57 AM
#65
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Re: General Comment
It was probably a Renault part.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:YpKBf.12817$ZA2.2314@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC
part,
> or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
> >I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
> >referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing
$300.
> >
> > On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler
product
> > was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> > including tax.
> >
> > But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
> >
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> billy ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >>> the
> >>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >>> at
> >>> the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >>> maintenance so
> >>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to
the
> >>> AMC
> >>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >>> a
> >>> while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
>
>
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:YpKBf.12817$ZA2.2314@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC
part,
> or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
> >I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
> >referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing
$300.
> >
> > On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler
product
> > was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> > including tax.
> >
> > But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
> >
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> billy ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >>> the
> >>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >>> at
> >>> the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >>> maintenance so
> >>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to
the
> >>> AMC
> >>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >>> a
> >>> while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
>
>
01-25-2006, 07:57 AM
#66
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Re: General Comment
It was probably a Renault part.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:YpKBf.12817$ZA2.2314@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC
part,
> or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
> >I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
> >referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing
$300.
> >
> > On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler
product
> > was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> > including tax.
> >
> > But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
> >
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> billy ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >>> the
> >>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >>> at
> >>> the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >>> maintenance so
> >>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to
the
> >>> AMC
> >>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >>> a
> >>> while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
>
>
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:YpKBf.12817$ZA2.2314@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC
part,
> or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
> >I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
> >referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing
$300.
> >
> > On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler
product
> > was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> > including tax.
> >
> > But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
> >
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> billy ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >>> the
> >>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >>> at
> >>> the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >>> maintenance so
> >>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to
the
> >>> AMC
> >>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >>> a
> >>> while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
>
>
01-25-2006, 07:57 AM
#67
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Re: General Comment
It was probably a Renault part.
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:YpKBf.12817$ZA2.2314@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC
part,
> or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
> >I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
> >referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing
$300.
> >
> > On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler
product
> > was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> > including tax.
> >
> > But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
> >
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> billy ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >>> the
> >>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >>> at
> >>> the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >>> maintenance so
> >>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to
the
> >>> AMC
> >>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >>> a
> >>> while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
>
>
Earle
"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message
news:YpKBf.12817$ZA2.2314@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> I had an ignition control module go on my old 87 YJ. That was an AMC
part,
> or at least that Jeep was still AMC.
> Tomes
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:e5f7e$43d6e392$4831b233$526@FUSE.NET...
> >I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
> >referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing
$300.
> >
> > On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler
product
> > was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
> > including tax.
> >
> > But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
> >
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> billy ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >>> the
> >>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >>> at
> >>> the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >>> maintenance so
> >>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to
the
> >>> AMC
> >>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >>> a
> >>> while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
>
>
01-25-2006, 09:42 AM
#68
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
AMC's ignition module -- at least for the 1976-1982 I-6 -- was an
off-the-shelf Ford part.
Earle Horton wrote:
> AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
> was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
> the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
> fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
> Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
>
> One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
> when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
> Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
> to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
> rotor installed.
>
> Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
> dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>
>>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>
> the
>
>>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>
> at
>
>>>the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>
> maintenance so
>
>>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>
> AMC
>
>>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>
> a
>
>>>while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
off-the-shelf Ford part.
Earle Horton wrote:
> AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
> was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
> the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
> fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
> Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
>
> One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
> when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
> Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
> to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
> rotor installed.
>
> Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
> dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>
>>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>
> the
>
>>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>
> at
>
>>>the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>
> maintenance so
>
>>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>
> AMC
>
>>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>
> a
>
>>>while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
01-25-2006, 09:42 AM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
AMC's ignition module -- at least for the 1976-1982 I-6 -- was an
off-the-shelf Ford part.
Earle Horton wrote:
> AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
> was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
> the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
> fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
> Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
>
> One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
> when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
> Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
> to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
> rotor installed.
>
> Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
> dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>
>>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>
> the
>
>>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>
> at
>
>>>the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>
> maintenance so
>
>>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>
> AMC
>
>>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>
> a
>
>>>while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
off-the-shelf Ford part.
Earle Horton wrote:
> AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
> was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
> the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
> fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
> Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
>
> One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
> when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
> Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
> to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
> rotor installed.
>
> Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
> dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>
>>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>
> the
>
>>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>
> at
>
>>>the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>
> maintenance so
>
>>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>
> AMC
>
>>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>
> a
>
>>>while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
01-25-2006, 09:42 AM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
AMC's ignition module -- at least for the 1976-1982 I-6 -- was an
off-the-shelf Ford part.
Earle Horton wrote:
> AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
> was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
> the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
> fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
> Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
>
> One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
> when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
> Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
> to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
> rotor installed.
>
> Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
> dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>
>>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>
> the
>
>>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>
> at
>
>>>the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>
> maintenance so
>
>>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>
> AMC
>
>>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>
> a
>
>>>while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
off-the-shelf Ford part.
Earle Horton wrote:
> AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition module
> was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course excluding
> the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling line
> fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from memory.)
> Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
>
> One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of 1978,
> when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about 1/16".
> Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing else
> to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old style
> rotor installed.
>
> Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the Dodge
> dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
>
>> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
>>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>billy ray wrote:
>>
>>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
>
> the
>
>>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
>
> at
>
>>>the road manners of the AWD.
>>>
>>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
>
> maintenance so
>
>>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>>
>>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>
> AMC
>
>>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>
> a
>
>>>while when it would happen again.
>>>
>>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>>
>>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>