General Comment
01-24-2006, 12:47 PM
#41
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Re: General Comment
Late seventies, early eighties, things were bad all over. Build quality was
low, the Japanese were starting to make some serious penetration into our
markets, and manufacturers didn't really know how to comply with ever more
stringent emissions control requirements and the increasing price of gas.
The car most likely had a carburetor and electronic ignition. The "No
Start" could be explained by inappropriate heat range spark plugs, a poorly
functioning electric choke, and ill-conceived attempts to comply with new
emissions regulations. I doubt that there was much wrong with it, except
maybe an insatiable hunger for new spark plugs.
Electronic fuel injection, including the infamous crankshaft position
sensor, had the end result of making things better, not worse.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d98b$43d65efd$4831b233$16042@FUSE.NET...
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D483F3.CEC5FFD1@***.net...
> > What gave up?
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had one of the AWD Eagles when they first came out for a period
of
> >> 3
> >> years.
> >>
> >> He told me when he made the decision to trade it in (company car) when
he
> >> added up the repair receipts and the repairs during years 2 & 3 added
up
> >> to
> >> more than the car cost to purchase new.
>
>
low, the Japanese were starting to make some serious penetration into our
markets, and manufacturers didn't really know how to comply with ever more
stringent emissions control requirements and the increasing price of gas.
The car most likely had a carburetor and electronic ignition. The "No
Start" could be explained by inappropriate heat range spark plugs, a poorly
functioning electric choke, and ill-conceived attempts to comply with new
emissions regulations. I doubt that there was much wrong with it, except
maybe an insatiable hunger for new spark plugs.
Electronic fuel injection, including the infamous crankshaft position
sensor, had the end result of making things better, not worse.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d98b$43d65efd$4831b233$16042@FUSE.NET...
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D483F3.CEC5FFD1@***.net...
> > What gave up?
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had one of the AWD Eagles when they first came out for a period
of
> >> 3
> >> years.
> >>
> >> He told me when he made the decision to trade it in (company car) when
he
> >> added up the repair receipts and the repairs during years 2 & 3 added
up
> >> to
> >> more than the car cost to purchase new.
>
>
01-24-2006, 12:47 PM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Late seventies, early eighties, things were bad all over. Build quality was
low, the Japanese were starting to make some serious penetration into our
markets, and manufacturers didn't really know how to comply with ever more
stringent emissions control requirements and the increasing price of gas.
The car most likely had a carburetor and electronic ignition. The "No
Start" could be explained by inappropriate heat range spark plugs, a poorly
functioning electric choke, and ill-conceived attempts to comply with new
emissions regulations. I doubt that there was much wrong with it, except
maybe an insatiable hunger for new spark plugs.
Electronic fuel injection, including the infamous crankshaft position
sensor, had the end result of making things better, not worse.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d98b$43d65efd$4831b233$16042@FUSE.NET...
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D483F3.CEC5FFD1@***.net...
> > What gave up?
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had one of the AWD Eagles when they first came out for a period
of
> >> 3
> >> years.
> >>
> >> He told me when he made the decision to trade it in (company car) when
he
> >> added up the repair receipts and the repairs during years 2 & 3 added
up
> >> to
> >> more than the car cost to purchase new.
>
>
low, the Japanese were starting to make some serious penetration into our
markets, and manufacturers didn't really know how to comply with ever more
stringent emissions control requirements and the increasing price of gas.
The car most likely had a carburetor and electronic ignition. The "No
Start" could be explained by inappropriate heat range spark plugs, a poorly
functioning electric choke, and ill-conceived attempts to comply with new
emissions regulations. I doubt that there was much wrong with it, except
maybe an insatiable hunger for new spark plugs.
Electronic fuel injection, including the infamous crankshaft position
sensor, had the end result of making things better, not worse.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d98b$43d65efd$4831b233$16042@FUSE.NET...
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D483F3.CEC5FFD1@***.net...
> > What gave up?
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had one of the AWD Eagles when they first came out for a period
of
> >> 3
> >> years.
> >>
> >> He told me when he made the decision to trade it in (company car) when
he
> >> added up the repair receipts and the repairs during years 2 & 3 added
up
> >> to
> >> more than the car cost to purchase new.
>
>
01-24-2006, 12:47 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Late seventies, early eighties, things were bad all over. Build quality was
low, the Japanese were starting to make some serious penetration into our
markets, and manufacturers didn't really know how to comply with ever more
stringent emissions control requirements and the increasing price of gas.
The car most likely had a carburetor and electronic ignition. The "No
Start" could be explained by inappropriate heat range spark plugs, a poorly
functioning electric choke, and ill-conceived attempts to comply with new
emissions regulations. I doubt that there was much wrong with it, except
maybe an insatiable hunger for new spark plugs.
Electronic fuel injection, including the infamous crankshaft position
sensor, had the end result of making things better, not worse.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d98b$43d65efd$4831b233$16042@FUSE.NET...
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D483F3.CEC5FFD1@***.net...
> > What gave up?
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had one of the AWD Eagles when they first came out for a period
of
> >> 3
> >> years.
> >>
> >> He told me when he made the decision to trade it in (company car) when
he
> >> added up the repair receipts and the repairs during years 2 & 3 added
up
> >> to
> >> more than the car cost to purchase new.
>
>
low, the Japanese were starting to make some serious penetration into our
markets, and manufacturers didn't really know how to comply with ever more
stringent emissions control requirements and the increasing price of gas.
The car most likely had a carburetor and electronic ignition. The "No
Start" could be explained by inappropriate heat range spark plugs, a poorly
functioning electric choke, and ill-conceived attempts to comply with new
emissions regulations. I doubt that there was much wrong with it, except
maybe an insatiable hunger for new spark plugs.
Electronic fuel injection, including the infamous crankshaft position
sensor, had the end result of making things better, not worse.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:d98b$43d65efd$4831b233$16042@FUSE.NET...
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:43D483F3.CEC5FFD1@***.net...
> > What gave up?
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >> My dad had one of the AWD Eagles when they first came out for a period
of
> >> 3
> >> years.
> >>
> >> He told me when he made the decision to trade it in (company car) when
he
> >> added up the repair receipts and the repairs during years 2 & 3 added
up
> >> to
> >> more than the car cost to purchase new.
>
>
01-24-2006, 06:36 PM
#44
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Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
01-24-2006, 06:36 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
01-24-2006, 06:36 PM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
> the road manners of the AWD.
>
> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance so
> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>
> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the AMC
> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for a
> while when it would happen again.
>
> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>
> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
01-24-2006, 06:51 PM
#47
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Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Look at how low the WJ is, looks like a low rider, complete with
spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made more
> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.
spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made more
> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.
01-24-2006, 06:51 PM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Look at how low the WJ is, looks like a low rider, complete with
spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made more
> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.
spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made more
> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.
01-24-2006, 06:51 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: General Comment
Look at how low the WJ is, looks like a low rider, complete with
spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made more
> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.
spoiler: http://www.----------.com/temp/WKcherokee.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
billy ray wrote:
>
> I think the answer probably is that the lawyers want the vehicle made more
> stable on-road to lessen the likelihood of rollovers. They (corporate
> lawyers) have no real interest in the lessening of the off-road utility.
01-24-2006, 09:31 PM
#50
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Re: General Comment
I had an ignition module go out on my '86 T-Bird. That was the tow I
referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
including tax.
But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>
>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
>> so
>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>
>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>> AMC
>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>> a
>> while when it would happen again.
>>
>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>
>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
referred to a few weeks ago where $25 worth of parts ended up costing $300.
On the other had the only ignition failure I've had on a Chrysler product
was a dual ballast resistor on a '73 Dart Sport. That total was $1.26
including tax.
But, of course, my limited experience may well not be common.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know the
>> history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed at
>> the road manners of the AWD.
>>
>> My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled maintenance
>> so
>> it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
>>
>> I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
>> AMC
>> dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again for
>> a
>> while when it would happen again.
>>
>> Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
>>
>> I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..