gears ot tires
12-06-2006, 12:26 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
Only to a point.... You will reach a footprint size that grabs the
ground best for the 'weight' of the vehicle. Once you pass this point,
you are lowering the PSI on the ground contact patch so it takes less
power to break them free from the ground.
Normally this footprint is what the dealers list as the largest 'stock'
tire or in my Cherokees case, a P225. Go wider and you compromise looks
for traction.
This is one reason wide tires have to be aired down to grab. They then
dig the sidewall edge of the tread into the ground and get two narrow
edges grabbing strong so the center float isn't as bad. Leave them hard
and you go nowhere fast.
Unless they are 'really' wide 'floater' tires, the average 'wide' tire
on a 4x4 is just pure looks, not performance.
When we have to travel in the snow, we now leave the Cherokee home
because of the compromised traction and take the CJ7 with it's tall
skinnies that grab the road way better.
The CJ7's 'footprint' is a 7.5" wide tread on the 33x9.5" tires. The
Cherokee's P235's are over 8.5" wide at the tread.
Look at military Jeeps. If wide tires were even slightly better for
traction, those GI's getting their butts shot at would for sure have
used them...
Same for folks like loggers that work in the bush. They all run tall
skinnies on their trucks.
One of the many other folks from this group that run tall skinnies is
Steve Seppala and he was at a mud pit competition with the 'big' boys.
They convinced him to try the mud pit and he made it easily where they
were getting stuck. One of them got stuck, so he hooked up and dragged
him out no problem rather than wait for the tractor to come over.
He then told them about his missing front driveshaft that was home
broken in the back yard......
Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
Only to a point.... You will reach a footprint size that grabs the
ground best for the 'weight' of the vehicle. Once you pass this point,
you are lowering the PSI on the ground contact patch so it takes less
power to break them free from the ground.
Normally this footprint is what the dealers list as the largest 'stock'
tire or in my Cherokees case, a P225. Go wider and you compromise looks
for traction.
This is one reason wide tires have to be aired down to grab. They then
dig the sidewall edge of the tread into the ground and get two narrow
edges grabbing strong so the center float isn't as bad. Leave them hard
and you go nowhere fast.
Unless they are 'really' wide 'floater' tires, the average 'wide' tire
on a 4x4 is just pure looks, not performance.
When we have to travel in the snow, we now leave the Cherokee home
because of the compromised traction and take the CJ7 with it's tall
skinnies that grab the road way better.
The CJ7's 'footprint' is a 7.5" wide tread on the 33x9.5" tires. The
Cherokee's P235's are over 8.5" wide at the tread.
Look at military Jeeps. If wide tires were even slightly better for
traction, those GI's getting their butts shot at would for sure have
used them...
Same for folks like loggers that work in the bush. They all run tall
skinnies on their trucks.
One of the many other folks from this group that run tall skinnies is
Steve Seppala and he was at a mud pit competition with the 'big' boys.
They convinced him to try the mud pit and he made it easily where they
were getting stuck. One of them got stuck, so he hooked up and dragged
him out no problem rather than wait for the tractor to come over.
He then told them about his missing front driveshaft that was home
broken in the back yard......
Mike
12-06-2006, 12:26 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
Only to a point.... You will reach a footprint size that grabs the
ground best for the 'weight' of the vehicle. Once you pass this point,
you are lowering the PSI on the ground contact patch so it takes less
power to break them free from the ground.
Normally this footprint is what the dealers list as the largest 'stock'
tire or in my Cherokees case, a P225. Go wider and you compromise looks
for traction.
This is one reason wide tires have to be aired down to grab. They then
dig the sidewall edge of the tread into the ground and get two narrow
edges grabbing strong so the center float isn't as bad. Leave them hard
and you go nowhere fast.
Unless they are 'really' wide 'floater' tires, the average 'wide' tire
on a 4x4 is just pure looks, not performance.
When we have to travel in the snow, we now leave the Cherokee home
because of the compromised traction and take the CJ7 with it's tall
skinnies that grab the road way better.
The CJ7's 'footprint' is a 7.5" wide tread on the 33x9.5" tires. The
Cherokee's P235's are over 8.5" wide at the tread.
Look at military Jeeps. If wide tires were even slightly better for
traction, those GI's getting their butts shot at would for sure have
used them...
Same for folks like loggers that work in the bush. They all run tall
skinnies on their trucks.
One of the many other folks from this group that run tall skinnies is
Steve Seppala and he was at a mud pit competition with the 'big' boys.
They convinced him to try the mud pit and he made it easily where they
were getting stuck. One of them got stuck, so he hooked up and dragged
him out no problem rather than wait for the tractor to come over.
He then told them about his missing front driveshaft that was home
broken in the back yard......
Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
Only to a point.... You will reach a footprint size that grabs the
ground best for the 'weight' of the vehicle. Once you pass this point,
you are lowering the PSI on the ground contact patch so it takes less
power to break them free from the ground.
Normally this footprint is what the dealers list as the largest 'stock'
tire or in my Cherokees case, a P225. Go wider and you compromise looks
for traction.
This is one reason wide tires have to be aired down to grab. They then
dig the sidewall edge of the tread into the ground and get two narrow
edges grabbing strong so the center float isn't as bad. Leave them hard
and you go nowhere fast.
Unless they are 'really' wide 'floater' tires, the average 'wide' tire
on a 4x4 is just pure looks, not performance.
When we have to travel in the snow, we now leave the Cherokee home
because of the compromised traction and take the CJ7 with it's tall
skinnies that grab the road way better.
The CJ7's 'footprint' is a 7.5" wide tread on the 33x9.5" tires. The
Cherokee's P235's are over 8.5" wide at the tread.
Look at military Jeeps. If wide tires were even slightly better for
traction, those GI's getting their butts shot at would for sure have
used them...
Same for folks like loggers that work in the bush. They all run tall
skinnies on their trucks.
One of the many other folks from this group that run tall skinnies is
Steve Seppala and he was at a mud pit competition with the 'big' boys.
They convinced him to try the mud pit and he made it easily where they
were getting stuck. One of them got stuck, so he hooked up and dragged
him out no problem rather than wait for the tractor to come over.
He then told them about his missing front driveshaft that was home
broken in the back yard......
Mike
12-06-2006, 12:26 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
Only to a point.... You will reach a footprint size that grabs the
ground best for the 'weight' of the vehicle. Once you pass this point,
you are lowering the PSI on the ground contact patch so it takes less
power to break them free from the ground.
Normally this footprint is what the dealers list as the largest 'stock'
tire or in my Cherokees case, a P225. Go wider and you compromise looks
for traction.
This is one reason wide tires have to be aired down to grab. They then
dig the sidewall edge of the tread into the ground and get two narrow
edges grabbing strong so the center float isn't as bad. Leave them hard
and you go nowhere fast.
Unless they are 'really' wide 'floater' tires, the average 'wide' tire
on a 4x4 is just pure looks, not performance.
When we have to travel in the snow, we now leave the Cherokee home
because of the compromised traction and take the CJ7 with it's tall
skinnies that grab the road way better.
The CJ7's 'footprint' is a 7.5" wide tread on the 33x9.5" tires. The
Cherokee's P235's are over 8.5" wide at the tread.
Look at military Jeeps. If wide tires were even slightly better for
traction, those GI's getting their butts shot at would for sure have
used them...
Same for folks like loggers that work in the bush. They all run tall
skinnies on their trucks.
One of the many other folks from this group that run tall skinnies is
Steve Seppala and he was at a mud pit competition with the 'big' boys.
They convinced him to try the mud pit and he made it easily where they
were getting stuck. One of them got stuck, so he hooked up and dragged
him out no problem rather than wait for the tractor to come over.
He then told them about his missing front driveshaft that was home
broken in the back yard......
Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
Only to a point.... You will reach a footprint size that grabs the
ground best for the 'weight' of the vehicle. Once you pass this point,
you are lowering the PSI on the ground contact patch so it takes less
power to break them free from the ground.
Normally this footprint is what the dealers list as the largest 'stock'
tire or in my Cherokees case, a P225. Go wider and you compromise looks
for traction.
This is one reason wide tires have to be aired down to grab. They then
dig the sidewall edge of the tread into the ground and get two narrow
edges grabbing strong so the center float isn't as bad. Leave them hard
and you go nowhere fast.
Unless they are 'really' wide 'floater' tires, the average 'wide' tire
on a 4x4 is just pure looks, not performance.
When we have to travel in the snow, we now leave the Cherokee home
because of the compromised traction and take the CJ7 with it's tall
skinnies that grab the road way better.
The CJ7's 'footprint' is a 7.5" wide tread on the 33x9.5" tires. The
Cherokee's P235's are over 8.5" wide at the tread.
Look at military Jeeps. If wide tires were even slightly better for
traction, those GI's getting their butts shot at would for sure have
used them...
Same for folks like loggers that work in the bush. They all run tall
skinnies on their trucks.
One of the many other folks from this group that run tall skinnies is
Steve Seppala and he was at a mud pit competition with the 'big' boys.
They convinced him to try the mud pit and he made it easily where they
were getting stuck. One of them got stuck, so he hooked up and dragged
him out no problem rather than wait for the tractor to come over.
He then told them about his missing front driveshaft that was home
broken in the back yard......
Mike
12-06-2006, 02:24 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
There is a case to be made for higher gearing and skinny tires... My
'43 GPW runs 32 inch tires (no lift needed) with a contact patch about
5 inches wide. The crawl ratio is only about 29:1, not very low.
This, coupled with a weak stock motor (54 hp) makes sure the tires
never spin so the jeep never loses traction. The only way it gets
stopped is when the engine stalls (happens more than I would like).
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
'43 GPW runs 32 inch tires (no lift needed) with a contact patch about
5 inches wide. The crawl ratio is only about 29:1, not very low.
This, coupled with a weak stock motor (54 hp) makes sure the tires
never spin so the jeep never loses traction. The only way it gets
stopped is when the engine stalls (happens more than I would like).
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
12-06-2006, 02:24 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
There is a case to be made for higher gearing and skinny tires... My
'43 GPW runs 32 inch tires (no lift needed) with a contact patch about
5 inches wide. The crawl ratio is only about 29:1, not very low.
This, coupled with a weak stock motor (54 hp) makes sure the tires
never spin so the jeep never loses traction. The only way it gets
stopped is when the engine stalls (happens more than I would like).
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
'43 GPW runs 32 inch tires (no lift needed) with a contact patch about
5 inches wide. The crawl ratio is only about 29:1, not very low.
This, coupled with a weak stock motor (54 hp) makes sure the tires
never spin so the jeep never loses traction. The only way it gets
stopped is when the engine stalls (happens more than I would like).
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
12-06-2006, 02:24 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
There is a case to be made for higher gearing and skinny tires... My
'43 GPW runs 32 inch tires (no lift needed) with a contact patch about
5 inches wide. The crawl ratio is only about 29:1, not very low.
This, coupled with a weak stock motor (54 hp) makes sure the tires
never spin so the jeep never loses traction. The only way it gets
stopped is when the engine stalls (happens more than I would like).
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
'43 GPW runs 32 inch tires (no lift needed) with a contact patch about
5 inches wide. The crawl ratio is only about 29:1, not very low.
This, coupled with a weak stock motor (54 hp) makes sure the tires
never spin so the jeep never loses traction. The only way it gets
stopped is when the engine stalls (happens more than I would like).
Thoth1126@gmail.com wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
12-06-2006, 06:39 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
Rather than change the tires, change the engine:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...burn+out&hl=en
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> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
>
> thanks
>
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> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
>
> thanks
>
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12-06-2006, 06:39 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
Rather than change the tires, change the engine:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...burn+out&hl=en
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"j" <johnhuebner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
>
> thanks
>
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"j" <johnhuebner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
>
> thanks
>
--
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12-06-2006, 06:39 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
Rather than change the tires, change the engine:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...burn+out&hl=en
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"j" <johnhuebner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1165418814.951780.173060@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
>
> thanks
>
--
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"j" <johnhuebner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1165418814.951780.173060@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
>
> thanks
>
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12-06-2006, 08:14 PM
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Re: gears ot tires
No, the wider tire footprint tends to "float" on the snow. The slightly
narrower footprint digs in for better traction.
Tom
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>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
>
narrower footprint digs in for better traction.
Tom
<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > The loss of traction because of the
> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
> the
> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?
>
