gears ot tires
 

I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
the gears are the stock 4.10's

it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.

where is a good place to buy tires?


thanks

Re: gears ot tires
 

Ok, ya got me on this one....

The idea of 'mud' tires is to have the 'best' traction going. This
means you 'don't' want them to spin!

When they spin, they just dig holes and you go no place except straight
down fast.

That is the beauty of my 33x9.5" muds. They just don't spin so I can
walk up sand pit walls with my open diffs and 3.31 gears that take
lockers front and rear for a TJ with wide tires to have even a 'little'
chance of keeping up. He gets all 4 spinning and well. I have 'lots'
of photos of them trying and trying and trying to get to where I am
taking their photos from....

It makes running the mud pits almost no fun any more. I just drive on
through only getting the underside muddy. They don't spin so I don't
get the top covered in mud any more. If I have to clean the underside,
I want to have mud on top to show for it dammit.

On the street in snow, spinning tires, just puts you in the ditch or
again digs you holes or leaves you stranded at the bottom of the hill.

If you are geared too low so you spin tires, then forget about using 1st
gear in the snow, you won't get going. This starting in second is hard
on the clutch.

We actually were very pissed off when we 'upgraded' our tires on our
Cherokee from p225's to p235's. The loss of traction because of the
wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in the
snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did so
it is more white knuckle driving trying to keep up to transport trucks
on the snowy highways.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

j wrote:
>
> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
> thanks

Re: gears ot tires
 

Ok, ya got me on this one....

The idea of 'mud' tires is to have the 'best' traction going. This
means you 'don't' want them to spin!

When they spin, they just dig holes and you go no place except straight
down fast.

That is the beauty of my 33x9.5" muds. They just don't spin so I can
walk up sand pit walls with my open diffs and 3.31 gears that take
lockers front and rear for a TJ with wide tires to have even a 'little'
chance of keeping up. He gets all 4 spinning and well. I have 'lots'
of photos of them trying and trying and trying to get to where I am
taking their photos from....

It makes running the mud pits almost no fun any more. I just drive on
through only getting the underside muddy. They don't spin so I don't
get the top covered in mud any more. If I have to clean the underside,
I want to have mud on top to show for it dammit.

On the street in snow, spinning tires, just puts you in the ditch or
again digs you holes or leaves you stranded at the bottom of the hill.

If you are geared too low so you spin tires, then forget about using 1st
gear in the snow, you won't get going. This starting in second is hard
on the clutch.

We actually were very pissed off when we 'upgraded' our tires on our
Cherokee from p225's to p235's. The loss of traction because of the
wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in the
snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did so
it is more white knuckle driving trying to keep up to transport trucks
on the snowy highways.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

j wrote:
>
> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
> thanks

Re: gears ot tires
 

Ok, ya got me on this one....

The idea of 'mud' tires is to have the 'best' traction going. This
means you 'don't' want them to spin!

When they spin, they just dig holes and you go no place except straight
down fast.

That is the beauty of my 33x9.5" muds. They just don't spin so I can
walk up sand pit walls with my open diffs and 3.31 gears that take
lockers front and rear for a TJ with wide tires to have even a 'little'
chance of keeping up. He gets all 4 spinning and well. I have 'lots'
of photos of them trying and trying and trying to get to where I am
taking their photos from....

It makes running the mud pits almost no fun any more. I just drive on
through only getting the underside muddy. They don't spin so I don't
get the top covered in mud any more. If I have to clean the underside,
I want to have mud on top to show for it dammit.

On the street in snow, spinning tires, just puts you in the ditch or
again digs you holes or leaves you stranded at the bottom of the hill.

If you are geared too low so you spin tires, then forget about using 1st
gear in the snow, you won't get going. This starting in second is hard
on the clutch.

We actually were very pissed off when we 'upgraded' our tires on our
Cherokee from p225's to p235's. The loss of traction because of the
wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in the
snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did so
it is more white knuckle driving trying to keep up to transport trucks
on the snowy highways.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

j wrote:
>
> I have a 95 yj with a 4 banger five speed. I have a ford 8.8 rear.
> the gears are the stock 4.10's
>
> it will not spin the 33 mudders. would it be better to step down to 31
> inch tires or do the gears. it is a 75 street and 25 off road.
>
> where is a good place to buy tires?
>
> thanks

Re: gears ot tires
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The loss of traction because of the
wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
the
snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did

Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
traction no?

Re: gears ot tires
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The loss of traction because of the
wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
the
snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did

Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
traction no?

Re: gears ot tires
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The loss of traction because of the
wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
the
snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did

Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
traction no?

Re: gears ot tires
 

Thoth1126 wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> The loss of traction because of the
>> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
>> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
>> the
>> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?

Bigger footprint = higher flotation, which is good for sand and
bottomless bog, but not so good for snow where you want the tire
to sink in and bite for traction. With a more floaty tire it will
just sit on the top of the snow and the lugs will not sink in.

The larger the tire the more it distributes weight. Sort of like
walking on snow vs wearing skis.


--
DougW

Re: gears ot tires
 

Thoth1126 wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> The loss of traction because of the
>> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
>> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
>> the
>> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?

Bigger footprint = higher flotation, which is good for sand and
bottomless bog, but not so good for snow where you want the tire
to sink in and bite for traction. With a more floaty tire it will
just sit on the top of the snow and the lugs will not sink in.

The larger the tire the more it distributes weight. Sort of like
walking on snow vs wearing skis.


--
DougW

Re: gears ot tires
 

Thoth1126 wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> The loss of traction because of the
>> wider tire was Very noticeable and very disappointing now that we are
>> stuck with them. These wider tires spin way too easy off a start in
>> the
>> snow. They also lose traction 5 or 10 mph slower than the p225's did
>
> Woah - conflict of my internal nature!! Bigger footprint = more
> traction no?

Bigger footprint = higher flotation, which is good for sand and
bottomless bog, but not so good for snow where you want the tire
to sink in and bite for traction. With a more floaty tire it will
just sit on the top of the snow and the lugs will not sink in.

The larger the tire the more it distributes weight. Sort of like
walking on snow vs wearing skis.


--
DougW