Jeff Strickland

Yeah, I know. I'm pretty sure that my problem is age -- not mine so much as
the Jeep's -- and when I release the key, it does not always return
properly. My problem is more of a dirt issue than an adjustment issue.




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4567091D.B71ED256@sympatico.ca...
> That can be adjusted Jeff. The switch at the bottom of the steering
> column has slots to set it properly.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page
>

billy ray

Everyone should know how to do the common homeowner and car owner stuff.
Doesn't matter if they are college bound or not.


.. We should also
> teach machine shop, wood shop, construction trades, etc. It is silly to
> think that all of our kids are college bound. Clearly, some have no
> business in college.
>
>
>

billy ray

Everyone should know how to do the common homeowner and car owner stuff.
Doesn't matter if they are college bound or not.


.. We should also
> teach machine shop, wood shop, construction trades, etc. It is silly to
> think that all of our kids are college bound. Clearly, some have no
> business in college.
>
>
>

billy ray

Everyone should know how to do the common homeowner and car owner stuff.
Doesn't matter if they are college bound or not.


.. We should also
> teach machine shop, wood shop, construction trades, etc. It is silly to
> think that all of our kids are college bound. Clearly, some have no
> business in college.
>
>
>

Outatime

billy ray wrote:

> Everyone should know how to do the common homeowner and car owner stuff.
> Doesn't matter if they are college bound or not.

Good point. I took driver's ed, woodshop, metalshop, power mechanics,
and even typing classes in HS, before taking two college degrees.

Everything I learned in HS is FAR, FAR more valuable as it matters in
the real world, than any of the useless crap I learned in college.

Outatime

billy ray wrote:

> Everyone should know how to do the common homeowner and car owner stuff.
> Doesn't matter if they are college bound or not.

Good point. I took driver's ed, woodshop, metalshop, power mechanics,
and even typing classes in HS, before taking two college degrees.

Everything I learned in HS is FAR, FAR more valuable as it matters in
the real world, than any of the useless crap I learned in college.

Outatime

billy ray wrote:

> Everyone should know how to do the common homeowner and car owner stuff.
> Doesn't matter if they are college bound or not.

Good point. I took driver's ed, woodshop, metalshop, power mechanics,
and even typing classes in HS, before taking two college degrees.

Everything I learned in HS is FAR, FAR more valuable as it matters in
the real world, than any of the useless crap I learned in college.

DaveW

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45670917.8F9BAF28@sympatico.ca...
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45663D58.5CD23DFB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > She really needs an automotive education.
>>> >
>>> > When the Brake failure warning light comes on, the vehicle is no
>>> longer
>>> > safe for the road until it has been determined the failure.
>>> >
>>> > When one reservoir goes empty, it puts serious stress on the seal
>>> > between the master cylinder chambers which can lead to a 'total' >
>>> failure
>>> > there 'very' soon after one goes dry.
>>> >
>>> > When this happens, the brake pedal goes to the floor and the
>>> vehicle > has
>>> > only the emergency brake left.
>>> >
>>> > Does she know how to stop a vehicle using only the emergency brake?
>>> > Does the emergency brake work?
>>> >
>>>
>>> It kills me to hear people cal this an Emergency Brake. It is more
>>> accurately a Parking Brake. The question is, "does one know how to
>>> stop a
>>> vehicle using the parking brake?" And, "does the parking brake work?"
>>>
>>> There is a huge difference in using the Parking Brake in an emergency
>>> and
>>> using the Emergency Brake to park.
>>
>> Up here in Canada if you use the 'emergency' brake to 'park' with at
>> this time of year, you will/might not be 'unparking' until spring.....
>>
>> The only fix is to be lifted and towed to a warm garage to let the
>> 'parking' brake unthaw so it becomes an 'emergency' brake again.
>>
>
>
> That's true, but the name of the brake does not make the problem go
> away. If one uses the parking brake to park OR the emerbgency brake to
> park, and it freezes shut then life sucks. It is still a parking brake,
> NOT an emergency brake.
>
>
>
>

I beg to differ Jeff. If it was simply a question of making a parking
brake, a hook on the brake pedal would do just fine. But, the
manufacturers wanted something that would provide braking action if the
hydraulic system failed. This was a real problem before dual master
cylinders.
As a matter of fact, I was unfortunate enough to have had to use the
emergency brake to stop two different single master cylinder cars that
blew out brake hoses. One minute there's brakes, next minute pedal to
the floor just by looking at it. It was neither quick nor pleasant, but
I DID eventually stop, using the emergency brake. (Make point to add
fresh underwear to the latex gloves in the tool box).

The service brake could be clamped down for parking much easier than
designing a separate system. The point is, the brake actuation is
separate from the service brakes for a reason, and that is for emergencies.

As for parking, well I don't bother with it much unless I'm on a steep
hill.

Regards,

DAve

DaveW

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45670917.8F9BAF28@sympatico.ca...
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45663D58.5CD23DFB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > She really needs an automotive education.
>>> >
>>> > When the Brake failure warning light comes on, the vehicle is no
>>> longer
>>> > safe for the road until it has been determined the failure.
>>> >
>>> > When one reservoir goes empty, it puts serious stress on the seal
>>> > between the master cylinder chambers which can lead to a 'total' >
>>> failure
>>> > there 'very' soon after one goes dry.
>>> >
>>> > When this happens, the brake pedal goes to the floor and the
>>> vehicle > has
>>> > only the emergency brake left.
>>> >
>>> > Does she know how to stop a vehicle using only the emergency brake?
>>> > Does the emergency brake work?
>>> >
>>>
>>> It kills me to hear people cal this an Emergency Brake. It is more
>>> accurately a Parking Brake. The question is, "does one know how to
>>> stop a
>>> vehicle using the parking brake?" And, "does the parking brake work?"
>>>
>>> There is a huge difference in using the Parking Brake in an emergency
>>> and
>>> using the Emergency Brake to park.
>>
>> Up here in Canada if you use the 'emergency' brake to 'park' with at
>> this time of year, you will/might not be 'unparking' until spring.....
>>
>> The only fix is to be lifted and towed to a warm garage to let the
>> 'parking' brake unthaw so it becomes an 'emergency' brake again.
>>
>
>
> That's true, but the name of the brake does not make the problem go
> away. If one uses the parking brake to park OR the emerbgency brake to
> park, and it freezes shut then life sucks. It is still a parking brake,
> NOT an emergency brake.
>
>
>
>

I beg to differ Jeff. If it was simply a question of making a parking
brake, a hook on the brake pedal would do just fine. But, the
manufacturers wanted something that would provide braking action if the
hydraulic system failed. This was a real problem before dual master
cylinders.
As a matter of fact, I was unfortunate enough to have had to use the
emergency brake to stop two different single master cylinder cars that
blew out brake hoses. One minute there's brakes, next minute pedal to
the floor just by looking at it. It was neither quick nor pleasant, but
I DID eventually stop, using the emergency brake. (Make point to add
fresh underwear to the latex gloves in the tool box).

The service brake could be clamped down for parking much easier than
designing a separate system. The point is, the brake actuation is
separate from the service brakes for a reason, and that is for emergencies.

As for parking, well I don't bother with it much unless I'm on a steep
hill.

Regards,

DAve

DaveW

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45670917.8F9BAF28@sympatico.ca...
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45663D58.5CD23DFB@sympatico.ca...
>>> > She really needs an automotive education.
>>> >
>>> > When the Brake failure warning light comes on, the vehicle is no
>>> longer
>>> > safe for the road until it has been determined the failure.
>>> >
>>> > When one reservoir goes empty, it puts serious stress on the seal
>>> > between the master cylinder chambers which can lead to a 'total' >
>>> failure
>>> > there 'very' soon after one goes dry.
>>> >
>>> > When this happens, the brake pedal goes to the floor and the
>>> vehicle > has
>>> > only the emergency brake left.
>>> >
>>> > Does she know how to stop a vehicle using only the emergency brake?
>>> > Does the emergency brake work?
>>> >
>>>
>>> It kills me to hear people cal this an Emergency Brake. It is more
>>> accurately a Parking Brake. The question is, "does one know how to
>>> stop a
>>> vehicle using the parking brake?" And, "does the parking brake work?"
>>>
>>> There is a huge difference in using the Parking Brake in an emergency
>>> and
>>> using the Emergency Brake to park.
>>
>> Up here in Canada if you use the 'emergency' brake to 'park' with at
>> this time of year, you will/might not be 'unparking' until spring.....
>>
>> The only fix is to be lifted and towed to a warm garage to let the
>> 'parking' brake unthaw so it becomes an 'emergency' brake again.
>>
>
>
> That's true, but the name of the brake does not make the problem go
> away. If one uses the parking brake to park OR the emerbgency brake to
> park, and it freezes shut then life sucks. It is still a parking brake,
> NOT an emergency brake.
>
>
>
>

I beg to differ Jeff. If it was simply a question of making a parking
brake, a hook on the brake pedal would do just fine. But, the
manufacturers wanted something that would provide braking action if the
hydraulic system failed. This was a real problem before dual master
cylinders.
As a matter of fact, I was unfortunate enough to have had to use the
emergency brake to stop two different single master cylinder cars that
blew out brake hoses. One minute there's brakes, next minute pedal to
the floor just by looking at it. It was neither quick nor pleasant, but
I DID eventually stop, using the emergency brake. (Make point to add
fresh underwear to the latex gloves in the tool box).

The service brake could be clamped down for parking much easier than
designing a separate system. The point is, the brake actuation is
separate from the service brakes for a reason, and that is for emergencies.

As for parking, well I don't bother with it much unless I'm on a steep
hill.

Regards,

DAve