Jay Stuler

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Jay Stuler wrote:
>
> > OK, armchair Jeep mechanic warriors.
> >
> > '76 CJ-7.
> > It has sat mostly in one place for the last month.
> > Last time I parked it, it had a full tank of gas.
> > Then last week I wanted to take it out so I went to the gas station, and
> > just to make sure, I topped it off with 30 cents of gas.
>
> Or, at least, the automatic shut-off nozzle thought that the tank was full
> because it got backpressure. Maybe it isn't really full, with a bad gauge
> you can't be certain.

No, I visually observed it to be full.
Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.

> Any kinks or other restrictions in the fuel filler
> plumbing?
>
>
> > Drove it for 27 miles when it promptly died. It died in the way a car
dies
> > when it runs out of gas.
> > So AAA tows it back home to me. Still never starts.
> > I just put 2 gallons of gas in it and it starts right up!
>
> A couple of thoughts: Bad fuel filter (easy, cheap fix). Crud sucked up
> against the mesh strainer at the bottom of the fuel sender (more
> expensive, busted-knuckle fix). Rotting body mounts have allowed the tub
> to settle down on the fuel line where it goes over the cross member ahead
> of the tank and pinch it mostly shut (drilling, tapping, sawing,
> chiseling, melting metal work).
>
> A passing thought: Those two gallons will take you about 27 miles.
>
>
> > Now, the guy I bought it from told me that the fuel gauge was
> > "intermittent". And sure enough, when it had a full tank, it was
reading
> > very low. I thought the fuel gauge was just bad. But now it actually
seems
> > like the problem is something else. When I put the 2 gallons in just
now,
> > it went from dead E to a bit above E.
>
> The next time it dies, pull the fuel line between the fuel filter and the
> carb, see if you've got gas when you crank. If not, pull the line ahead
> of the filter and see if you've got gas. If not you know the problem is
> between there and the bottom of the tank. My guess is the bottom of the
> tank.
>
>
> > I assume I have the stock (15 gallon?) fuel tank.
> > It obviously doesn't leak.
>
> Original tank? Maybe it leaks but does it so slowly it isn't obvious. It
> might be just a damp spot on the skid plate.

Well if it leaks out completely over 27 miles that isn't very slowly.
It sat with a full tank for weeks with no leaks.

I'm thinking you guys are right about the fuel sender. I bet the gauge
isn't actually bad either. Hopefully that will fix both of my fuel
problems. Thanks!

Dave Milne

Go for the fifth :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jay Stuler" <usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
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> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.

Dave Milne

Go for the fifth :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jay Stuler" <usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
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> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.

Dave Milne

Go for the fifth :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jay Stuler" <usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0406061315400.14902@panix3.pani x.com...

> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.

Dave Milne

Go for the fifth :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Jay Stuler" <usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
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> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.

Mike Romain

Hey, it's your labor, but I sure would be looking for a leaky line or
plugged gas tank vent before ripping out the tank.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jay Stuler wrote:
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0406061315400.14902@panix3.pani x.com...
> > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Jay Stuler wrote:
> >
> > > OK, armchair Jeep mechanic warriors.
> > >
> > > '76 CJ-7.
> > > It has sat mostly in one place for the last month.
> > > Last time I parked it, it had a full tank of gas.
> > > Then last week I wanted to take it out so I went to the gas station, and
> > > just to make sure, I topped it off with 30 cents of gas.
> >
> > Or, at least, the automatic shut-off nozzle thought that the tank was full
> > because it got backpressure. Maybe it isn't really full, with a bad gauge
> > you can't be certain.
>
> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.
>
> > Any kinks or other restrictions in the fuel filler
> > plumbing?
> >
> >
> > > Drove it for 27 miles when it promptly died. It died in the way a car
> dies
> > > when it runs out of gas.
> > > So AAA tows it back home to me. Still never starts.
> > > I just put 2 gallons of gas in it and it starts right up!
> >
> > A couple of thoughts: Bad fuel filter (easy, cheap fix). Crud sucked up
> > against the mesh strainer at the bottom of the fuel sender (more
> > expensive, busted-knuckle fix). Rotting body mounts have allowed the tub
> > to settle down on the fuel line where it goes over the cross member ahead
> > of the tank and pinch it mostly shut (drilling, tapping, sawing,
> > chiseling, melting metal work).
> >
> > A passing thought: Those two gallons will take you about 27 miles.
> >
> >
> > > Now, the guy I bought it from told me that the fuel gauge was
> > > "intermittent". And sure enough, when it had a full tank, it was
> reading
> > > very low. I thought the fuel gauge was just bad. But now it actually
> seems
> > > like the problem is something else. When I put the 2 gallons in just
> now,
> > > it went from dead E to a bit above E.
> >
> > The next time it dies, pull the fuel line between the fuel filter and the
> > carb, see if you've got gas when you crank. If not, pull the line ahead
> > of the filter and see if you've got gas. If not you know the problem is
> > between there and the bottom of the tank. My guess is the bottom of the
> > tank.
> >
> >
> > > I assume I have the stock (15 gallon?) fuel tank.
> > > It obviously doesn't leak.
> >
> > Original tank? Maybe it leaks but does it so slowly it isn't obvious. It
> > might be just a damp spot on the skid plate.
>
> Well if it leaks out completely over 27 miles that isn't very slowly.
> It sat with a full tank for weeks with no leaks.
>
> I'm thinking you guys are right about the fuel sender. I bet the gauge
> isn't actually bad either. Hopefully that will fix both of my fuel
> problems. Thanks!

Mike Romain

Hey, it's your labor, but I sure would be looking for a leaky line or
plugged gas tank vent before ripping out the tank.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jay Stuler wrote:
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0406061315400.14902@panix3.pani x.com...
> > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Jay Stuler wrote:
> >
> > > OK, armchair Jeep mechanic warriors.
> > >
> > > '76 CJ-7.
> > > It has sat mostly in one place for the last month.
> > > Last time I parked it, it had a full tank of gas.
> > > Then last week I wanted to take it out so I went to the gas station, and
> > > just to make sure, I topped it off with 30 cents of gas.
> >
> > Or, at least, the automatic shut-off nozzle thought that the tank was full
> > because it got backpressure. Maybe it isn't really full, with a bad gauge
> > you can't be certain.
>
> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.
>
> > Any kinks or other restrictions in the fuel filler
> > plumbing?
> >
> >
> > > Drove it for 27 miles when it promptly died. It died in the way a car
> dies
> > > when it runs out of gas.
> > > So AAA tows it back home to me. Still never starts.
> > > I just put 2 gallons of gas in it and it starts right up!
> >
> > A couple of thoughts: Bad fuel filter (easy, cheap fix). Crud sucked up
> > against the mesh strainer at the bottom of the fuel sender (more
> > expensive, busted-knuckle fix). Rotting body mounts have allowed the tub
> > to settle down on the fuel line where it goes over the cross member ahead
> > of the tank and pinch it mostly shut (drilling, tapping, sawing,
> > chiseling, melting metal work).
> >
> > A passing thought: Those two gallons will take you about 27 miles.
> >
> >
> > > Now, the guy I bought it from told me that the fuel gauge was
> > > "intermittent". And sure enough, when it had a full tank, it was
> reading
> > > very low. I thought the fuel gauge was just bad. But now it actually
> seems
> > > like the problem is something else. When I put the 2 gallons in just
> now,
> > > it went from dead E to a bit above E.
> >
> > The next time it dies, pull the fuel line between the fuel filter and the
> > carb, see if you've got gas when you crank. If not, pull the line ahead
> > of the filter and see if you've got gas. If not you know the problem is
> > between there and the bottom of the tank. My guess is the bottom of the
> > tank.
> >
> >
> > > I assume I have the stock (15 gallon?) fuel tank.
> > > It obviously doesn't leak.
> >
> > Original tank? Maybe it leaks but does it so slowly it isn't obvious. It
> > might be just a damp spot on the skid plate.
>
> Well if it leaks out completely over 27 miles that isn't very slowly.
> It sat with a full tank for weeks with no leaks.
>
> I'm thinking you guys are right about the fuel sender. I bet the gauge
> isn't actually bad either. Hopefully that will fix both of my fuel
> problems. Thanks!

Mike Romain

Hey, it's your labor, but I sure would be looking for a leaky line or
plugged gas tank vent before ripping out the tank.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jay Stuler wrote:
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0406061315400.14902@panix3.pani x.com...
> > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Jay Stuler wrote:
> >
> > > OK, armchair Jeep mechanic warriors.
> > >
> > > '76 CJ-7.
> > > It has sat mostly in one place for the last month.
> > > Last time I parked it, it had a full tank of gas.
> > > Then last week I wanted to take it out so I went to the gas station, and
> > > just to make sure, I topped it off with 30 cents of gas.
> >
> > Or, at least, the automatic shut-off nozzle thought that the tank was full
> > because it got backpressure. Maybe it isn't really full, with a bad gauge
> > you can't be certain.
>
> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.
>
> > Any kinks or other restrictions in the fuel filler
> > plumbing?
> >
> >
> > > Drove it for 27 miles when it promptly died. It died in the way a car
> dies
> > > when it runs out of gas.
> > > So AAA tows it back home to me. Still never starts.
> > > I just put 2 gallons of gas in it and it starts right up!
> >
> > A couple of thoughts: Bad fuel filter (easy, cheap fix). Crud sucked up
> > against the mesh strainer at the bottom of the fuel sender (more
> > expensive, busted-knuckle fix). Rotting body mounts have allowed the tub
> > to settle down on the fuel line where it goes over the cross member ahead
> > of the tank and pinch it mostly shut (drilling, tapping, sawing,
> > chiseling, melting metal work).
> >
> > A passing thought: Those two gallons will take you about 27 miles.
> >
> >
> > > Now, the guy I bought it from told me that the fuel gauge was
> > > "intermittent". And sure enough, when it had a full tank, it was
> reading
> > > very low. I thought the fuel gauge was just bad. But now it actually
> seems
> > > like the problem is something else. When I put the 2 gallons in just
> now,
> > > it went from dead E to a bit above E.
> >
> > The next time it dies, pull the fuel line between the fuel filter and the
> > carb, see if you've got gas when you crank. If not, pull the line ahead
> > of the filter and see if you've got gas. If not you know the problem is
> > between there and the bottom of the tank. My guess is the bottom of the
> > tank.
> >
> >
> > > I assume I have the stock (15 gallon?) fuel tank.
> > > It obviously doesn't leak.
> >
> > Original tank? Maybe it leaks but does it so slowly it isn't obvious. It
> > might be just a damp spot on the skid plate.
>
> Well if it leaks out completely over 27 miles that isn't very slowly.
> It sat with a full tank for weeks with no leaks.
>
> I'm thinking you guys are right about the fuel sender. I bet the gauge
> isn't actually bad either. Hopefully that will fix both of my fuel
> problems. Thanks!

Mike Romain

Hey, it's your labor, but I sure would be looking for a leaky line or
plugged gas tank vent before ripping out the tank.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jay Stuler wrote:
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0406061315400.14902@panix3.pani x.com...
> > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Jay Stuler wrote:
> >
> > > OK, armchair Jeep mechanic warriors.
> > >
> > > '76 CJ-7.
> > > It has sat mostly in one place for the last month.
> > > Last time I parked it, it had a full tank of gas.
> > > Then last week I wanted to take it out so I went to the gas station, and
> > > just to make sure, I topped it off with 30 cents of gas.
> >
> > Or, at least, the automatic shut-off nozzle thought that the tank was full
> > because it got backpressure. Maybe it isn't really full, with a bad gauge
> > you can't be certain.
>
> No, I visually observed it to be full.
> Also the gasoline that poured out on my toes doubly confirmed it.
> That's confirmation with 4 of the 5 senses.
>
> > Any kinks or other restrictions in the fuel filler
> > plumbing?
> >
> >
> > > Drove it for 27 miles when it promptly died. It died in the way a car
> dies
> > > when it runs out of gas.
> > > So AAA tows it back home to me. Still never starts.
> > > I just put 2 gallons of gas in it and it starts right up!
> >
> > A couple of thoughts: Bad fuel filter (easy, cheap fix). Crud sucked up
> > against the mesh strainer at the bottom of the fuel sender (more
> > expensive, busted-knuckle fix). Rotting body mounts have allowed the tub
> > to settle down on the fuel line where it goes over the cross member ahead
> > of the tank and pinch it mostly shut (drilling, tapping, sawing,
> > chiseling, melting metal work).
> >
> > A passing thought: Those two gallons will take you about 27 miles.
> >
> >
> > > Now, the guy I bought it from told me that the fuel gauge was
> > > "intermittent". And sure enough, when it had a full tank, it was
> reading
> > > very low. I thought the fuel gauge was just bad. But now it actually
> seems
> > > like the problem is something else. When I put the 2 gallons in just
> now,
> > > it went from dead E to a bit above E.
> >
> > The next time it dies, pull the fuel line between the fuel filter and the
> > carb, see if you've got gas when you crank. If not, pull the line ahead
> > of the filter and see if you've got gas. If not you know the problem is
> > between there and the bottom of the tank. My guess is the bottom of the
> > tank.
> >
> >
> > > I assume I have the stock (15 gallon?) fuel tank.
> > > It obviously doesn't leak.
> >
> > Original tank? Maybe it leaks but does it so slowly it isn't obvious. It
> > might be just a damp spot on the skid plate.
>
> Well if it leaks out completely over 27 miles that isn't very slowly.
> It sat with a full tank for weeks with no leaks.
>
> I'm thinking you guys are right about the fuel sender. I bet the gauge
> isn't actually bad either. Hopefully that will fix both of my fuel
> problems. Thanks!

Jeepster

Don't rule out the gauge it's self. All my gauges would work
intermittently when I got my Jeep and I found I had corrosion on the
plastic circuit sheet, tapping the gauges would make the readings jump
all over the place and sometimes stick at erroneous values. I took
apart the gauge cluster and polished up the contacts from each gauge
to the plastic circuit sheet and have never had a problem since.

A write up from someone that had the same problem.
http://www.bc4x4.com/faqs/yj.cfm?cat=10&faqid=104

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:18:48 GMT, "Ghostbuster"
<brad2004@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...&storeId=10101
>The fuel sending unit. It goes into the gas tank and sends the fuel and
>fuel level. Easy to replace. I had the same problem after I replaced my
>rusted steel tank with a poly tank about a year ago. The recomendation is
>to replace the sending unit at the same time, but I didnt. When the fuel
>level dropped to about half a tank, the float would not go any lower. So I
>seemed like it was out of gas. Since that time the fuel guage stopped
>working altogetjer. I ordered a sending unit last week. I will install it
>and it should fix both my problems.
>
>Brad
>81 CJ5
>
>
>"Jay Stuler" <usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:c9ti3a$621$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> OK, armchair Jeep mechanic warriors.
>>
>> '76 CJ-7.
>> It has sat mostly in one place for the last month.
>> Last time I parked it, it had a full tank of gas.
>> Then last week I wanted to take it out so I went to the gas station, and
>> just to make sure, I topped it off with 30 cents of gas.
>> Drove it for 27 miles when it promptly died. It died in the way a car
>dies
>> when it runs out of gas.
>> So AAA tows it back home to me. Still never starts.
>> I just put 2 gallons of gas in it and it starts right up!
>>
>> Now, the guy I bought it from told me that the fuel gauge was
>> "intermittent". And sure enough, when it had a full tank, it was reading
>> very low. I thought the fuel gauge was just bad. But now it actually
>seems
>> like the problem is something else. When I put the 2 gallons in just now,
>> it went from dead E to a bit above E.
>>
>> I assume I have the stock (15 gallon?) fuel tank.
>> It obviously doesn't leak.
>> What the heck is going on? Is my tank somehow only holding a few gallons?
>> Is the gas not getting to the engine when it gets low? Bad fuel pump?
>>
>> --
>> "What we need are a couple of good hangings" - FTC Chairman Orson Swindle,
>> regarding email spam
>>
>>
>