Shaggie

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:409181DD.5E888305@sympatico.ca:

> It is supposed to have a 195 thermostat in it according to my manual
> so it runs at 'least' at 195 degrees...
>
> A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at 265 or more.
>
> 210 sounds right to me. That leaves a pile of room before you get
> close to the boil over point.
>
> You also need to note that the thermostats are notoriously not
> accurate....
>
> Mike

OK, I feel better after reading that. I flushed my radiator today and
then drained it completely, then put in a jug of antifreeze, then filled
that jug with water and added it, then put in about 1/3 of another jug
of water so I'm probably 40-45% antifreeze and the rest water right now.
I still wanna go through the procedure Chris outlined for me to set up
the air/fuel mixture before hitting the trails, but I have tomorrow off
from work so I should be on the trails by 10am or so. WHOO HOOOOOOO!

--

I can hammer it back into shape later...
:wq!

bllsht

In message <c6rt9u$f8k1h$2@ID-163201.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Shaggie" wrote:

>Shaggie <travist34@snotmail.com> wrote in news:c6rpnv$ff063$1@ID-
>163201.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>
>>>:
>>> Bring a lower t-stat and some tools with you as well.
>>> -Brian
>
>Brian, why did you say that? Mike says the thermostat only is relevant
>during the warmup period of the engine.

The fact is, in an otherwise properly operating cooling system, a cooler
thermostat will cause an engine to run cooler

I've seen many vehicles fail smog tests because the thermostat has been replaced
with a cooler one and the engine doesn't heat up enough for proper combustion
and emission controls operation.

bllsht

In message <c6rt9u$f8k1h$2@ID-163201.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Shaggie" wrote:

>Shaggie <travist34@snotmail.com> wrote in news:c6rpnv$ff063$1@ID-
>163201.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>
>>>:
>>> Bring a lower t-stat and some tools with you as well.
>>> -Brian
>
>Brian, why did you say that? Mike says the thermostat only is relevant
>during the warmup period of the engine.

The fact is, in an otherwise properly operating cooling system, a cooler
thermostat will cause an engine to run cooler

I've seen many vehicles fail smog tests because the thermostat has been replaced
with a cooler one and the engine doesn't heat up enough for proper combustion
and emission controls operation.

bllsht

In message <c6rt9u$f8k1h$2@ID-163201.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Shaggie" wrote:

>Shaggie <travist34@snotmail.com> wrote in news:c6rpnv$ff063$1@ID-
>163201.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>
>>>:
>>> Bring a lower t-stat and some tools with you as well.
>>> -Brian
>
>Brian, why did you say that? Mike says the thermostat only is relevant
>during the warmup period of the engine.

The fact is, in an otherwise properly operating cooling system, a cooler
thermostat will cause an engine to run cooler

I've seen many vehicles fail smog tests because the thermostat has been replaced
with a cooler one and the engine doesn't heat up enough for proper combustion
and emission controls operation.

bllsht

In message <c6rt9u$f8k1h$2@ID-163201.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Shaggie" wrote:

>Shaggie <travist34@snotmail.com> wrote in news:c6rpnv$ff063$1@ID-
>163201.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>
>>>:
>>> Bring a lower t-stat and some tools with you as well.
>>> -Brian
>
>Brian, why did you say that? Mike says the thermostat only is relevant
>during the warmup period of the engine.

The fact is, in an otherwise properly operating cooling system, a cooler
thermostat will cause an engine to run cooler

I've seen many vehicles fail smog tests because the thermostat has been replaced
with a cooler one and the engine doesn't heat up enough for proper combustion
and emission controls operation.

c

Mike, the two reasons that engines are run as cool as possible are: 1. that
the air will be somewhat denser going into the engine and 2. the clearances
in the engine are a bit higher when the engine is cold, theoretically
reducing friction. In modern times however, the racing engine people have
changed the bearing and piston clearances so that they are running at the
proper clearances when at operating temperature. Look at it this way, if the
cold engine was better, NASCAR teams would be chilling the engines as much
as possible. They normally run their engines in the 200-220F range for the
best balance of power and combustion efficiency. Running an engine too cold
will result in the "gas wash" effect in a street engine because of too much
unburned gas. It just doesn't atomize and mix with the air as efficiently
when it is too cold.

Chris

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4091855F.65F49199@sympatico.ca...
> I always thought they ran them cold so they could advance the crap out
> of them and run lean and mean. That makes them get hot fast so every
> bit of cool helps.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > As cold as you can get it to run for most horse power. Efficient
> > too, but lots of unburned gas, failing any SMOG test. As hot as you can
> > keep the coolant in for engine longevity.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Shaggie wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > > news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
> > >
> > > > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> > > >
> > > > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > > > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > > > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> > > >
> > > > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run
cooler
> > > > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> > > >
> > > > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The
best
> > > > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > > What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> > > Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> > > What's a good range? Thank you.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > > :wq!

c

Mike, the two reasons that engines are run as cool as possible are: 1. that
the air will be somewhat denser going into the engine and 2. the clearances
in the engine are a bit higher when the engine is cold, theoretically
reducing friction. In modern times however, the racing engine people have
changed the bearing and piston clearances so that they are running at the
proper clearances when at operating temperature. Look at it this way, if the
cold engine was better, NASCAR teams would be chilling the engines as much
as possible. They normally run their engines in the 200-220F range for the
best balance of power and combustion efficiency. Running an engine too cold
will result in the "gas wash" effect in a street engine because of too much
unburned gas. It just doesn't atomize and mix with the air as efficiently
when it is too cold.

Chris

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4091855F.65F49199@sympatico.ca...
> I always thought they ran them cold so they could advance the crap out
> of them and run lean and mean. That makes them get hot fast so every
> bit of cool helps.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > As cold as you can get it to run for most horse power. Efficient
> > too, but lots of unburned gas, failing any SMOG test. As hot as you can
> > keep the coolant in for engine longevity.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Shaggie wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > > news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
> > >
> > > > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> > > >
> > > > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > > > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > > > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> > > >
> > > > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run
cooler
> > > > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> > > >
> > > > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The
best
> > > > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > > What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> > > Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> > > What's a good range? Thank you.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > > :wq!

c

Mike, the two reasons that engines are run as cool as possible are: 1. that
the air will be somewhat denser going into the engine and 2. the clearances
in the engine are a bit higher when the engine is cold, theoretically
reducing friction. In modern times however, the racing engine people have
changed the bearing and piston clearances so that they are running at the
proper clearances when at operating temperature. Look at it this way, if the
cold engine was better, NASCAR teams would be chilling the engines as much
as possible. They normally run their engines in the 200-220F range for the
best balance of power and combustion efficiency. Running an engine too cold
will result in the "gas wash" effect in a street engine because of too much
unburned gas. It just doesn't atomize and mix with the air as efficiently
when it is too cold.

Chris

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4091855F.65F49199@sympatico.ca...
> I always thought they ran them cold so they could advance the crap out
> of them and run lean and mean. That makes them get hot fast so every
> bit of cool helps.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > As cold as you can get it to run for most horse power. Efficient
> > too, but lots of unburned gas, failing any SMOG test. As hot as you can
> > keep the coolant in for engine longevity.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Shaggie wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > > news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
> > >
> > > > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> > > >
> > > > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > > > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > > > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> > > >
> > > > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run
cooler
> > > > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> > > >
> > > > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The
best
> > > > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > > What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> > > Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> > > What's a good range? Thank you.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > > :wq!

c

Mike, the two reasons that engines are run as cool as possible are: 1. that
the air will be somewhat denser going into the engine and 2. the clearances
in the engine are a bit higher when the engine is cold, theoretically
reducing friction. In modern times however, the racing engine people have
changed the bearing and piston clearances so that they are running at the
proper clearances when at operating temperature. Look at it this way, if the
cold engine was better, NASCAR teams would be chilling the engines as much
as possible. They normally run their engines in the 200-220F range for the
best balance of power and combustion efficiency. Running an engine too cold
will result in the "gas wash" effect in a street engine because of too much
unburned gas. It just doesn't atomize and mix with the air as efficiently
when it is too cold.

Chris

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4091855F.65F49199@sympatico.ca...
> I always thought they ran them cold so they could advance the crap out
> of them and run lean and mean. That makes them get hot fast so every
> bit of cool helps.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > As cold as you can get it to run for most horse power. Efficient
> > too, but lots of unburned gas, failing any SMOG test. As hot as you can
> > keep the coolant in for engine longevity.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Shaggie wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > > news:40917B1B.1DE010AA@sympatico.ca:
> > >
> > > > Too much of a good thing isn't sometimes...
> > > >
> > > > The t-stat is a metered hole designed to match the needs of the
> > > > engine. When you take it out, you make too big a hole so the fluid
> > > > speeds up. This means it doesn't stay in the rad long enough to cool
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > You can put a restricter in if you take the t-stat out.
> > > >
> > > > Some folks try a colder t-stat and extra fans to make them run
cooler
> > > > although I don't think it works well if at all.
> > > >
> > > > A colder street engine isn't any more efficient or anything. The
best
> > > > mileage is had with a warmed up engine.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > > What is considered to be a good operating temperature for my engine?
> > > Anyone? '76 304. Running at about 210 right now. That too high?
> > > What's a good range? Thank you.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > I can hammer it back into shape later...
> > > :wq!

c

"Shaggie" <travist34@snotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c6rt9u$f8k1h$2@ID-163201.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Shaggie <travist34@snotmail.com> wrote in news:c6rpnv$ff063$1@ID-
> 163201.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
> >
> >>:
> >> Bring a lower t-stat and some tools with you as well.
> >> -Brian
>
> Brian, why did you say that? Mike says the thermostat only is relevant
> during the warmup period of the engine.
>
> --
>
> I can hammer it back into shape later...
> :wq!

Travis,

Before you panic, get your timing and fuel mixture set up properly. There is
no better way to make an engine run hotter than to have timing and carb
settings out of whack.

Chris