DOH brakes!
09-07-2007, 06:15 AM
#61
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Re: DOH brakes!
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:20:06 -0500, "DougW"
<I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>Zelix wrote:
>> "c" wrote...
>>> Zelix wrote:
>>>> "DougW" wrote ...
>>>>> Well, knew it was time to work on the brakes and almost waited too
>>>>> long.
>
>>>> I changed the rear brakes in my 84 explorer with a buddy. It was
>>>> the most painful experience of my life. There must be a trick to
>>>> get those little springs on.
>>>
>>>
>>> You did have the brake spring pliers, right?
>>>
>>> http://www.etoolcart.com/browseprodu...-LIS11260.HTML
>
>Heh.. I have one of those but couldn't find it. :(
>I just used vice grips.
>
>> Yes, evidently we didn't know how to use them properly. It was shear
>> misery getting that last spring on.
>
>I use the hook to walk the old spring off. Then the C notched
>handle to put the new springs on. Just hook the spring over the
>handle, hook the C over the big pin, then pry up till the
>spring slides into place. Easier to show than to type. :/
>
>The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
over the end of the anchor pin.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
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<I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>Zelix wrote:
>> "c" wrote...
>>> Zelix wrote:
>>>> "DougW" wrote ...
>>>>> Well, knew it was time to work on the brakes and almost waited too
>>>>> long.
>
>>>> I changed the rear brakes in my 84 explorer with a buddy. It was
>>>> the most painful experience of my life. There must be a trick to
>>>> get those little springs on.
>>>
>>>
>>> You did have the brake spring pliers, right?
>>>
>>> http://www.etoolcart.com/browseprodu...-LIS11260.HTML
>
>Heh.. I have one of those but couldn't find it. :(
>I just used vice grips.
>
>> Yes, evidently we didn't know how to use them properly. It was shear
>> misery getting that last spring on.
>
>I use the hook to walk the old spring off. Then the C notched
>handle to put the new springs on. Just hook the spring over the
>handle, hook the C over the big pin, then pry up till the
>spring slides into place. Easier to show than to type. :/
>
>The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
over the end of the anchor pin.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
--
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09-07-2007, 09:22 AM
#62
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
09-07-2007, 09:22 AM
#63
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
09-07-2007, 09:22 AM
#64
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
09-07-2007, 09:22 AM
#65
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:01 GMT, twaldron
> <dude@hairsproutingbunions.com> wrote:
>
>
>>DougW wrote:
>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>DougW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Drained out almost a full brake reservoir when pushing the pistons
>>>>
>>>>back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I should have bled them out then, but last time I tried that
>>>>>it was one hell of a mess. Easier just to squeeze the fluid back up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now all I need to do is flush the system out. This time I'm going
>>>>>to pay a good local mechanic to flush the brake system. It's just
>>>>>too much of a pain to do it solo, even with a vac bleeder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just push the pistons back in and put the new pads on. Why do you
>>>>open up the system? Just the way I've always done discs, never had a
>>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's one way of doing the job, you basically push the old fluid out
>>>and refill from the reservoir instead of having to suction off fluid
>>>when you push the pistons back in. It's much easier to push the piston
>>>back in also. Your basic hand pressure is enough.
>>>
>>
>>Ok. I don't touch the master cylinder at all and just push the pistons
>>back in, leaving the system closed throughout the job. No muss, no fuss.
>>
>>tw
>
>
> Yeah, untill you hit one where the guy at Jiffy Lube topped off the
> m/c the day before. Then ya got brake fluid everywhere.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Psha! It's hard enough to get those guys to put _OIL_ back in the
motor...They're going to OPEN the master cylinder?? Hahahhaha! Funny.
But I do get your point.
tw
09-07-2007, 10:34 AM
#66
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
09-07-2007, 10:34 AM
#67
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
09-07-2007, 10:34 AM
#68
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Posts: n/a
Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
09-07-2007, 10:34 AM
#69
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Re: DOH brakes!
Old Crow wrote:
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
> "DougW"> wrote:
>> The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>> install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>
> Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
> the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
> the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
> over the end of the anchor pin.
doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
grow legs.....
--
DougW
09-07-2007, 10:40 AM
#70
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Re: DOH brakes!
DougW wrote:
> Old Crow wrote:
>
>>"DougW"> wrote:
>
>
>>>The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>>>install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>>
>>Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
>>the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
>>the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
>>over the end of the anchor pin.
>
>
> doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
> http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
>
> And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
> grow legs.....
>
They all have legs, that's why you put leashes on them. Give them an
inch.....
tw
> Old Crow wrote:
>
>>"DougW"> wrote:
>
>
>>>The Cup is used to take the spring clips off the "nails" and to
>>>install them back on. I use a purpose built driver for that.
>>
>>Hate to tell you, but you're using them wrong. The"cup" is for taking
>>the top springs off the anchor pin. Put the cup over the pin, rotate
>>the pliers and the little tab on the cup hooks the spring and lifts it
>>over the end of the anchor pin.
>
>
> doh, your correct. That's why I had to buy one of these for the clips.
> http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...1964_483072023
>
> And I still can't find my brake pliars. :( Don't ya hate it when tools
> grow legs.....
>
They all have legs, that's why you put leashes on them. Give them an
inch.....
tw
