Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been
pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I
wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
properly, it just won't work as well as it could.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
> I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
> when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to
> upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
>
> I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
> braking like a truck.
>
> Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
> the older ones on the vehicle.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
> > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my
> > experience.)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
> > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
brakes?
> > >
> > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads
> > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
> > >
> > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot
> > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
little
> > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my
> > > brake lines.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > James Drinkwater wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
needs
> > to be
> > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
ball
> > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> > > > Drink
> > > >
> > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
Jeep).
> > But,
> > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause
the
> > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
> > > > >
> > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a
tie
> > rod
> > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
steering.
> > At
> > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
> > conversion.
> > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
knuckle
> > and
> > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie
rod
> > end,
> > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
regular
> > tie
> > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> > > > >> difficult
> > > > >> for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I have a headache.
> > > > >
> > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing,
> > just
> > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be
cut,
> > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to
get
> > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a
30
> > year
> > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
'round"
> > that
> > > > > as
> > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
change
> > it?
> > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> > > > >
> >
> > --
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Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not hard
to get the fronts to chirp.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have
been
> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I
> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
> properly, it just won't work as well as it could.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to
> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
> >
> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
> > braking like a truck.
> >
> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
> > the older ones on the vehicle.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in
my
> > > experience.)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
> brakes?
> > > >
> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh
pads
> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
> > > >
> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an
idiot
> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
> little
> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of
my
> > > > brake lines.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > James Drinkwater wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
> needs
> > > to be
> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
> ball
> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> > > > > Drink
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
> Jeep).
> > > But,
> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit
'cause
> the
> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with
a
> tie
> > > rod
> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
> steering.
> > > At
> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
> > > conversion.
> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
> knuckle
> > > and
> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie
> rod
> > > end,
> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
> regular
> > > tie
> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look
too
> > > > > >> difficult
> > > > > >> for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I have a headache.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the
housing,
> > > just
> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to
be
> cut,
> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper
to
> get
> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have
a
> 30
> > > year
> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
> 'round"
> > > that
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
> change
> > > it?
> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not hard
to get the fronts to chirp.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have
been
> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I
> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
> properly, it just won't work as well as it could.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to
> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
> >
> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
> > braking like a truck.
> >
> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
> > the older ones on the vehicle.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in
my
> > > experience.)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
> brakes?
> > > >
> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh
pads
> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
> > > >
> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an
idiot
> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
> little
> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of
my
> > > > brake lines.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > James Drinkwater wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
> needs
> > > to be
> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
> ball
> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> > > > > Drink
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
> Jeep).
> > > But,
> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit
'cause
> the
> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with
a
> tie
> > > rod
> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
> steering.
> > > At
> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
> > > conversion.
> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
> knuckle
> > > and
> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie
> rod
> > > end,
> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
> regular
> > > tie
> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look
too
> > > > > >> difficult
> > > > > >> for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I have a headache.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the
housing,
> > > just
> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to
be
> cut,
> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper
to
> get
> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have
a
> 30
> > > year
> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
> 'round"
> > > that
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
> change
> > > it?
> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not hard
to get the fronts to chirp.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have
been
> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I
> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
> properly, it just won't work as well as it could.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to
> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
> >
> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
> > braking like a truck.
> >
> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
> > the older ones on the vehicle.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in
my
> > > experience.)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
> brakes?
> > > >
> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh
pads
> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
> > > >
> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an
idiot
> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
> little
> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of
my
> > > > brake lines.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > James Drinkwater wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
> needs
> > > to be
> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
> ball
> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> > > > > Drink
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
> Jeep).
> > > But,
> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit
'cause
> the
> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with
a
> tie
> > > rod
> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
> steering.
> > > At
> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
> > > conversion.
> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
> knuckle
> > > and
> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie
> rod
> > > end,
> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
> regular
> > > tie
> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look
too
> > > > > >> difficult
> > > > > >> for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I have a headache.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the
housing,
> > > just
> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to
be
> cut,
> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper
to
> get
> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have
a
> 30
> > > year
> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
> 'round"
> > > that
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
> change
> > > it?
> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

The 4 wheel disks on my WJ seem to do okay although I've never needed to
lock them up (knock wood).

That being said I quickly noticed they weren't as responsive as the brakes
on the Audi but that is a unfair comparison I think.

The only problem on the drums I had on the Dodge (and all the vehicles
before that) were when you drove through water deeper than the axle that the
brakes weren't much good until you rode them long enough to dry them out.

It is all a personal preference I guess, I didn't like disks at first
because they were different.




"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uckah.7244$k74.3226@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not
> hard
> to get the fronts to chirp.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have
> been
>> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread,
>> I
>> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
>> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
>> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
>> properly, it just won't work as well as it could.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
>> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
>> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying
>> > to
>> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
>> >
>> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
>> > braking like a truck.
>> >
>> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
>> > the older ones on the vehicle.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
>> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in
> my
>> > > experience.)
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
>> brakes?
>> > > >
>> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh
> pads
>> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
>> > > >
>> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an
> idiot
>> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
>> little
>> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of
> my
>> > > > brake lines.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > > Jan/06
>> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > > >
>> > > > James Drinkwater wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
>> needs
>> > > to be
>> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
>> ball
>> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
>> > > > > Drink
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
>> Jeep).
>> > > But,
>> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit
> 'cause
>> the
>> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with
> a
>> tie
>> > > rod
>> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
>> steering.
>> > > At
>> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
>> > > conversion.
>> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
>> knuckle
>> > > and
>> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the
>> > > > > >> tie
>> rod
>> > > end,
>> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
>> regular
>> > > tie
>> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look
> too
>> > > > > >> difficult
>> > > > > >> for me.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now I have a headache.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the
> housing,
>> > > just
>> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to
> be
>> cut,
>> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper
> to
>> get
>> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have
> a
>> 30
>> > > year
>> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
>> 'round"
>> > > that
>> > > > > > as
>> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
>> change
>> > > it?
>> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Earle
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

The 4 wheel disks on my WJ seem to do okay although I've never needed to
lock them up (knock wood).

That being said I quickly noticed they weren't as responsive as the brakes
on the Audi but that is a unfair comparison I think.

The only problem on the drums I had on the Dodge (and all the vehicles
before that) were when you drove through water deeper than the axle that the
brakes weren't much good until you rode them long enough to dry them out.

It is all a personal preference I guess, I didn't like disks at first
because they were different.




"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uckah.7244$k74.3226@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not
> hard
> to get the fronts to chirp.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have
> been
>> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread,
>> I
>> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
>> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
>> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
>> properly, it just won't work as well as it could.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
>> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
>> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying
>> > to
>> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
>> >
>> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
>> > braking like a truck.
>> >
>> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
>> > the older ones on the vehicle.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
>> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in
> my
>> > > experience.)
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
>> brakes?
>> > > >
>> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh
> pads
>> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
>> > > >
>> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an
> idiot
>> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
>> little
>> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of
> my
>> > > > brake lines.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > > Jan/06
>> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > > >
>> > > > James Drinkwater wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
>> needs
>> > > to be
>> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
>> ball
>> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
>> > > > > Drink
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
>> Jeep).
>> > > But,
>> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit
> 'cause
>> the
>> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with
> a
>> tie
>> > > rod
>> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
>> steering.
>> > > At
>> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
>> > > conversion.
>> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
>> knuckle
>> > > and
>> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the
>> > > > > >> tie
>> rod
>> > > end,
>> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
>> regular
>> > > tie
>> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look
> too
>> > > > > >> difficult
>> > > > > >> for me.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now I have a headache.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the
> housing,
>> > > just
>> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to
> be
>> cut,
>> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper
> to
>> get
>> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have
> a
>> 30
>> > > year
>> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
>> 'round"
>> > > that
>> > > > > > as
>> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
>> change
>> > > it?
>> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Earle
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

The 4 wheel disks on my WJ seem to do okay although I've never needed to
lock them up (knock wood).

That being said I quickly noticed they weren't as responsive as the brakes
on the Audi but that is a unfair comparison I think.

The only problem on the drums I had on the Dodge (and all the vehicles
before that) were when you drove through water deeper than the axle that the
brakes weren't much good until you rode them long enough to dry them out.

It is all a personal preference I guess, I didn't like disks at first
because they were different.




"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uckah.7244$k74.3226@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not
> hard
> to get the fronts to chirp.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have
> been
>> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread,
>> I
>> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration
>> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master
>> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less
>> properly, it just won't work as well as it could.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca...
>> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
>> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying
>> > to
>> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but....
>> >
>> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with
>> > braking like a truck.
>> >
>> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of
>> > the older ones on the vehicle.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
>> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in
> my
>> > > experience.)
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power
>> brakes?
>> > > >
>> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh
> pads
>> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
>> > > >
>> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an
> idiot
>> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a
>> little
>> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of
> my
>> > > > brake lines.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike
>> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > > Jan/06
>> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > > >
>> > > > James Drinkwater wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30
>> needs
>> > > to be
>> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints,
>> ball
>> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
>> > > > > Drink
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like
>> Jeep).
>> > > But,
>> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit
> 'cause
>> the
>> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with
> a
>> tie
>> > > rod
>> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over
>> steering.
>> > > At
>> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
>> > > conversion.
>> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other
>> knuckle
>> > > and
>> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the
>> > > > > >> tie
>> rod
>> > > end,
>> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a
>> regular
>> > > tie
>> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look
> too
>> > > > > >> difficult
>> > > > > >> for me.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now I have a headache.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the
> housing,
>> > > just
>> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to
> be
>> cut,
>> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper
> to
>> get
>> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have
> a
>> 30
>> > > year
>> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all
>> 'round"
>> > > that
>> > > > > > as
>> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to
>> change
>> > > it?
>> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Earle
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience.

Agreed! And this is a very good point to bring up.

A full application of the brakes should be made daily before ever
driving any vehicle. People take braking systems for granted too often!
Brake hardware and hoses (hydraulic or pneumatic) are designed to
withstand full application of the service brakes.

I was taught early on that this was to be done, along with checking fuel
level before driving a vehicle, including (and especially!) the big
truck. If hoses burst when testing, this is the time to find out about
it, not during an emergency stop.

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience.

Agreed! And this is a very good point to bring up.

A full application of the brakes should be made daily before ever
driving any vehicle. People take braking systems for granted too often!
Brake hardware and hoses (hydraulic or pneumatic) are designed to
withstand full application of the service brakes.

I was taught early on that this was to be done, along with checking fuel
level before driving a vehicle, including (and especially!) the big
truck. If hoses burst when testing, this is the time to find out about
it, not during an emergency stop.

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Earle Horton wrote:

> If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience.

Agreed! And this is a very good point to bring up.

A full application of the brakes should be made daily before ever
driving any vehicle. People take braking systems for granted too often!
Brake hardware and hoses (hydraulic or pneumatic) are designed to
withstand full application of the service brakes.

I was taught early on that this was to be done, along with checking fuel
level before driving a vehicle, including (and especially!) the big
truck. If hoses burst when testing, this is the time to find out about
it, not during an emergency stop.