Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
Drink

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But,
>> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
>> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
>
> Dodge wheels will fit.
>
>> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod
>> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At
>> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion.
>> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and
>> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end,
>> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
>> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
>> difficult
>> for me.
>
> Now I have a headache.
>
>> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
>> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
>> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
>> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
>
> Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year
> old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that
> as
> far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
>
> Earle
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
Drink

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But,
>> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
>> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
>
> Dodge wheels will fit.
>
>> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod
>> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At
>> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion.
>> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and
>> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end,
>> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
>> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
>> difficult
>> for me.
>
> Now I have a headache.
>
>> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
>> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
>> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
>> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
>
> Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year
> old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that
> as
> far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
>
> Earle
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
Drink

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But,
>> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
>> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
>
> Dodge wheels will fit.
>
>> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod
>> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At
>> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion.
>> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and
>> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end,
>> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
>> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
>> difficult
>> for me.
>
> Now I have a headache.
>
>> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
>> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
>> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
>> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
>
> Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year
> old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that
> as
> far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
>
> Earle
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Drum brakes are fine if they are big enough, and 11-inch on a CJ, well
that's big enough. At any rate, the Dodge axles sound like more trouble
than they are worth. I would be looking for Scout axles, or rebuild what
you have. You can't really make any vehicle bullet proof, but if it is good
enough for what you want to do with it, then it's good enough.

Earle

"James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tniah.5940$Gk5.671@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to
be
> overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> Drink
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep).
But,
> >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> >
> > Dodge wheels will fit.
> >
> >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie
rod
> >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering.
At
> >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
conversion.
> >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle
and
> >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod
end,
> >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
> >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> >> difficult
> >> for me.
> >
> > Now I have a headache.
> >
> >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
> >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> >
> > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30
year
> > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round"
that
> > as
> > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >
>
>



--
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Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Drum brakes are fine if they are big enough, and 11-inch on a CJ, well
that's big enough. At any rate, the Dodge axles sound like more trouble
than they are worth. I would be looking for Scout axles, or rebuild what
you have. You can't really make any vehicle bullet proof, but if it is good
enough for what you want to do with it, then it's good enough.

Earle

"James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tniah.5940$Gk5.671@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to
be
> overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> Drink
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep).
But,
> >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> >
> > Dodge wheels will fit.
> >
> >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie
rod
> >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering.
At
> >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
conversion.
> >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle
and
> >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod
end,
> >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
> >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> >> difficult
> >> for me.
> >
> > Now I have a headache.
> >
> >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
> >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> >
> > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30
year
> > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round"
that
> > as
> > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >
>
>



--
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Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Drum brakes are fine if they are big enough, and 11-inch on a CJ, well
that's big enough. At any rate, the Dodge axles sound like more trouble
than they are worth. I would be looking for Scout axles, or rebuild what
you have. You can't really make any vehicle bullet proof, but if it is good
enough for what you want to do with it, then it's good enough.

Earle

"James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:tniah.5940$Gk5.671@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to
be
> overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> Drink
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep).
But,
> >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> >
> > Dodge wheels will fit.
> >
> >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie
rod
> >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering.
At
> >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
conversion.
> >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle
and
> >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod
end,
> >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
> >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> >> difficult
> >> for me.
> >
> > Now I have a headache.
> >
> >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
> >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> >
> > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30
year
> > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round"
that
> > as
> > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >
>
>



--
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Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?

I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads
and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.

I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot
pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little
screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my
brake lines.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

James Drinkwater wrote:
>
> Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
> overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> Drink
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But,
> >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> >
> > Dodge wheels will fit.
> >
> >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod
> >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At
> >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion.
> >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and
> >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end,
> >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
> >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> >> difficult
> >> for me.
> >
> > Now I have a headache.
> >
> >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
> >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> >
> > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year
> > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that
> > as
> > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?

I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads
and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.

I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot
pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little
screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my
brake lines.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

James Drinkwater wrote:
>
> Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
> overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> Drink
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But,
> >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> >
> > Dodge wheels will fit.
> >
> >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod
> >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At
> >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion.
> >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and
> >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end,
> >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
> >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> >> difficult
> >> for me.
> >
> > Now I have a headache.
> >
> >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
> >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> >
> > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year
> > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that
> > as
> > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?

I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads
and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.

I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot
pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little
screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my
brake lines.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

James Drinkwater wrote:
>
> Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
> overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> Drink
>
> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But,
> >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> >
> > Dodge wheels will fit.
> >
> >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod
> >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At
> >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion.
> >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and
> >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end,
> >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie
> >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> >> difficult
> >> for me.
> >
> > Now I have a headache.
> >
> >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just
> >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> >
> > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year
> > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that
> > as
> > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it?
> > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >

Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
 

What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my
experience.)

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca...
> Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?
>
> I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads
> and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on.
>
> I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot
> pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little
> screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my
> brake lines.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> James Drinkwater wrote:
> >
> > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs
to be
> > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball
> > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch.
> > Drink
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep).
But,
> > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the
> > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub.
> > >
> > > Dodge wheels will fit.
> > >
> > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie
rod
> > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering.
At
> > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the
conversion.
> > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle
and
> > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod
end,
> > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular
tie
> > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too
> > >> difficult
> > >> for me.
> > >
> > > Now I have a headache.
> > >
> > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing,
just
> > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut,
> > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get
> > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie?
> > >
> > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30
year
> > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round"
that
> > > as
> > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change
it?
> > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > >
> > >
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