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Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Looking at a pair of axles from an '84 Dodge W150; Dana44 front with
discs, Dodge 9.25 rear with drums (four bolt lug patterns). My Jeep's a '76 CJ-7 with the original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round. Anybody have an idea of the following? Searched online but found a lot of conflicting info (confusion about lug patterns, etc.) Lug pattern Width (is it ridiculously wide?) Brake line connections (metric/standard? size? proportioning valve compatibility?) (plan on going to Jeep power brake booster/master cylinder from an '80's model CJ-7) Yoke size (can I keep driveshafts with same U-joints?) Would appreciate any considerations re: fitment, steering linkage, spring perch placement, etc. Regards, Drink |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
I have never seen either vehicle with a 4 lug wheel that said the W150
axel is most likley wider than the jeep |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
I have never seen either vehicle with a 4 lug wheel that said the W150
axel is most likley wider than the jeep |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
I have never seen either vehicle with a 4 lug wheel that said the W150
axel is most likley wider than the jeep |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, my
internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the center hole's not big enough for the hub. The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too difficult for me. The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get a custom unit with discs from Currie? Drink "sqdancerLynn" <www.sqdancerlynn1spam@verizon.net> wrote in message news:94a2d940309bee0348bb8ca8735161bb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > I have never seen either vehicle with a 4 lug wheel that said the W150 > axel is most likley wider than the jeep > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, my
internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the center hole's not big enough for the hub. The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too difficult for me. The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get a custom unit with discs from Currie? Drink "sqdancerLynn" <www.sqdancerlynn1spam@verizon.net> wrote in message news:94a2d940309bee0348bb8ca8735161bb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > I have never seen either vehicle with a 4 lug wheel that said the W150 > axel is most likley wider than the jeep > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, my
internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the center hole's not big enough for the hub. The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too difficult for me. The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get a custom unit with discs from Currie? Drink "sqdancerLynn" <www.sqdancerlynn1spam@verizon.net> wrote in message news:94a2d940309bee0348bb8ca8735161bb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > I have never seen either vehicle with a 4 lug wheel that said the W150 > axel is most likley wider than the jeep > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
"James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > center hole's not big enough for the hub. Dodge wheels will fit. > The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too difficult > for me. Now I have a headache. > The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > a custom unit with discs from Currie? Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that as far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. Earle -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
"James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > center hole's not big enough for the hub. Dodge wheels will fit. > The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too difficult > for me. Now I have a headache. > The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > a custom unit with discs from Currie? Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that as far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. Earle -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
"James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > center hole's not big enough for the hub. Dodge wheels will fit. > The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too difficult > for me. Now I have a headache. > The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > a custom unit with discs from Currie? Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that as far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. Earle -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. Drink "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > Dodge wheels will fit. > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too >> difficult >> for me. > > Now I have a headache. > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > as > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > Earle > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. Drink "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > Dodge wheels will fit. > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too >> difficult >> for me. > > Now I have a headache. > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > as > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > Earle > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be
overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. Drink "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > Dodge wheels will fit. > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too >> difficult >> for me. > > Now I have a headache. > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > as > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > Earle > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Drum brakes are fine if they are big enough, and 11-inch on a CJ, well
that's big enough. At any rate, the Dodge axles sound like more trouble than they are worth. I would be looking for Scout axles, or rebuild what you have. You can't really make any vehicle bullet proof, but if it is good enough for what you want to do with it, then it's good enough. Earle "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message news:tniah.5940$Gk5.671@tornado.texas.rr.com... > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > Drink > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > >> difficult > >> for me. > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > as > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Drum brakes are fine if they are big enough, and 11-inch on a CJ, well
that's big enough. At any rate, the Dodge axles sound like more trouble than they are worth. I would be looking for Scout axles, or rebuild what you have. You can't really make any vehicle bullet proof, but if it is good enough for what you want to do with it, then it's good enough. Earle "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message news:tniah.5940$Gk5.671@tornado.texas.rr.com... > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > Drink > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > >> difficult > >> for me. > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > as > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Drum brakes are fine if they are big enough, and 11-inch on a CJ, well
that's big enough. At any rate, the Dodge axles sound like more trouble than they are worth. I would be looking for Scout axles, or rebuild what you have. You can't really make any vehicle bullet proof, but if it is good enough for what you want to do with it, then it's good enough. Earle "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message news:tniah.5940$Gk5.671@tornado.texas.rr.com... > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > Drink > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > >> difficult > >> for me. > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > as > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?
I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my brake lines. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) James Drinkwater wrote: > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > Drink > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > >> difficult > >> for me. > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > as > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?
I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my brake lines. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) James Drinkwater wrote: > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > Drink > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > >> difficult > >> for me. > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > as > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes?
I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my brake lines. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) James Drinkwater wrote: > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > Drink > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > >> difficult > >> for me. > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > as > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience.) Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > brake lines. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > Drink > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > >> difficult > > >> for me. > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > > as > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience.) Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > brake lines. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > Drink > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > >> difficult > > >> for me. > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > > as > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough?
Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience.) Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > brake lines. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs to be > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > Drink > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). But, > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie rod > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. At > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the conversion. > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle and > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod end, > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular tie > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > >> difficult > > >> for me. > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, just > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 year > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" that > > > as > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change it? > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
in my experience also. Plus as they start to stretch, it requires more
pressure to get the vehicle to stop. Dave. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4569b50c$0$21187$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > experience.) > > Earle |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
in my experience also. Plus as they start to stretch, it requires more
pressure to get the vehicle to stop. Dave. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4569b50c$0$21187$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > experience.) > > Earle |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
in my experience also. Plus as they start to stretch, it requires more
pressure to get the vehicle to stop. Dave. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4569b50c$0$21187$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > experience.) > > Earle |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with braking like a truck. Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of the older ones on the vehicle. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > experience.) > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > brake lines. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs > to be > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > Drink > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). > But, > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie > rod > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. > At > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > conversion. > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle > and > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod > end, > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular > tie > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > >> difficult > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > just > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 > year > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" > that > > > > as > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change > it? > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with braking like a truck. Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of the older ones on the vehicle. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > experience.) > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > brake lines. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs > to be > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > Drink > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). > But, > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie > rod > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. > At > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > conversion. > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle > and > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod > end, > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular > tie > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > >> difficult > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > just > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 > year > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" > that > > > > as > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change > it? > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes
when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with braking like a truck. Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of the older ones on the vehicle. Mike Earle Horton wrote: > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > experience.) > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > brake lines. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs > to be > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > Drink > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). > But, > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie > rod > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. > At > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > conversion. > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle > and > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod > end, > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular > tie > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > >> difficult > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > just > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 > year > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" > that > > > > as > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change > it? > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been
pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less properly, it just won't work as well as it could. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... > > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with > braking like a truck. > > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of > the older ones on the vehicle. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > > experience.) > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > > brake lines. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs > > to be > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > > Drink > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). > > But, > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie > > rod > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. > > At > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > > conversion. > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle > > and > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod > > end, > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular > > tie > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > > >> difficult > > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > > just > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 > > year > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" > > that > > > > > as > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change > > it? > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been
pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less properly, it just won't work as well as it could. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... > > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with > braking like a truck. > > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of > the older ones on the vehicle. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > > experience.) > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > > brake lines. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs > > to be > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > > Drink > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). > > But, > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie > > rod > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. > > At > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > > conversion. > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle > > and > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod > > end, > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular > > tie > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > > >> difficult > > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > > just > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 > > year > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" > > that > > > > > as > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change > > it? > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been
pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less properly, it just won't work as well as it could. Earle "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... > > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with > braking like a truck. > > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of > the older ones on the vehicle. > > Mike > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > > experience.) > > > > Earle > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power brakes? > > > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a little > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > > brake lines. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 needs > > to be > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, ball > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > > Drink > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like Jeep). > > But, > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause the > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a tie > > rod > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over steering. > > At > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > > conversion. > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other knuckle > > and > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie rod > > end, > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a regular > > tie > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > > >> difficult > > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > > just > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be cut, > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to get > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a 30 > > year > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all 'round" > > that > > > > > as > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to change > > it? > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not hard
to get the fronts to chirp. Dave "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been > pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I > wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration > given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master > cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less > properly, it just won't work as well as it could. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... > > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes > > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to > > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... > > > > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with > > braking like a truck. > > > > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of > > the older ones on the vehicle. > > > > Mike > > > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > > > experience.) > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power > brakes? > > > > > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a > little > > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > > > brake lines. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 > needs > > > to be > > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, > ball > > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > > > Drink > > > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like > Jeep). > > > But, > > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause > the > > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a > tie > > > rod > > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over > steering. > > > At > > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > > > conversion. > > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other > knuckle > > > and > > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie > rod > > > end, > > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a > regular > > > tie > > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > > > >> difficult > > > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > > > just > > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be > cut, > > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to > get > > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a > 30 > > > year > > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all > 'round" > > > that > > > > > > as > > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to > change > > > it? > > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not hard
to get the fronts to chirp. Dave "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been > pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I > wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration > given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master > cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less > properly, it just won't work as well as it could. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... > > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes > > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to > > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... > > > > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with > > braking like a truck. > > > > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of > > the older ones on the vehicle. > > > > Mike > > > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > > > experience.) > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power > brakes? > > > > > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a > little > > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > > > brake lines. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 > needs > > > to be > > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, > ball > > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > > > Drink > > > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like > Jeep). > > > But, > > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause > the > > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a > tie > > > rod > > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over > steering. > > > At > > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > > > conversion. > > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other > knuckle > > > and > > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie > rod > > > end, > > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a > regular > > > tie > > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > > > >> difficult > > > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > > > just > > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be > cut, > > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to > get > > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a > 30 > > > year > > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all > 'round" > > > that > > > > > > as > > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to > change > > > it? > > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not hard
to get the fronts to chirp. Dave "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have been > pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, I > wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration > given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master > cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less > properly, it just won't work as well as it could. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... > > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes > > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying to > > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... > > > > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with > > braking like a truck. > > > > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of > > the older ones on the vehicle. > > > > Mike > > > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? > > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in my > > > experience.) > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... > > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power > brakes? > > > > > > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh pads > > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. > > > > > > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an idiot > > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a > little > > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of my > > > > brake lines. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > > > > > James Drinkwater wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 > needs > > > to be > > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, > ball > > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. > > > > > Drink > > > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like > Jeep). > > > But, > > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit 'cause > the > > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with a > tie > > > rod > > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over > steering. > > > At > > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the > > > conversion. > > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other > knuckle > > > and > > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the tie > rod > > > end, > > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a > regular > > > tie > > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look too > > > > > >> difficult > > > > > >> for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a headache. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the housing, > > > just > > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to be > cut, > > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper to > get > > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have a > 30 > > > year > > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all > 'round" > > > that > > > > > > as > > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to > change > > > it? > > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
The 4 wheel disks on my WJ seem to do okay although I've never needed to
lock them up (knock wood). That being said I quickly noticed they weren't as responsive as the brakes on the Audi but that is a unfair comparison I think. The only problem on the drums I had on the Dodge (and all the vehicles before that) were when you drove through water deeper than the axle that the brakes weren't much good until you rode them long enough to dry them out. It is all a personal preference I guess, I didn't like disks at first because they were different. "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message news:uckah.7244$k74.3226@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not > hard > to get the fronts to chirp. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have > been >> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, >> I >> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration >> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master >> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less >> properly, it just won't work as well as it could. >> >> Earle >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... >> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes >> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying >> > to >> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... >> > >> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with >> > braking like a truck. >> > >> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of >> > the older ones on the vehicle. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Earle Horton wrote: >> > > >> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? >> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in > my >> > > experience.) >> > > >> > > Earle >> > > >> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... >> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power >> brakes? >> > > > >> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh > pads >> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. >> > > > >> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an > idiot >> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a >> little >> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of > my >> > > > brake lines. >> > > > >> > > > Mike >> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > > Jan/06 >> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > > >> > > > James Drinkwater wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 >> needs >> > > to be >> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, >> ball >> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. >> > > > > Drink >> > > > > >> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . >> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message >> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... >> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like >> Jeep). >> > > But, >> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit > 'cause >> the >> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with > a >> tie >> > > rod >> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over >> steering. >> > > At >> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the >> > > conversion. >> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other >> knuckle >> > > and >> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the >> > > > > >> tie >> rod >> > > end, >> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a >> regular >> > > tie >> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look > too >> > > > > >> difficult >> > > > > >> for me. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Now I have a headache. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the > housing, >> > > just >> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to > be >> cut, >> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper > to >> get >> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have > a >> 30 >> > > year >> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all >> 'round" >> > > that >> > > > > > as >> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to >> change >> > > it? >> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Earle >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
The 4 wheel disks on my WJ seem to do okay although I've never needed to
lock them up (knock wood). That being said I quickly noticed they weren't as responsive as the brakes on the Audi but that is a unfair comparison I think. The only problem on the drums I had on the Dodge (and all the vehicles before that) were when you drove through water deeper than the axle that the brakes weren't much good until you rode them long enough to dry them out. It is all a personal preference I guess, I didn't like disks at first because they were different. "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message news:uckah.7244$k74.3226@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not > hard > to get the fronts to chirp. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have > been >> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, >> I >> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration >> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master >> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less >> properly, it just won't work as well as it could. >> >> Earle >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... >> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes >> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying >> > to >> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... >> > >> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with >> > braking like a truck. >> > >> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of >> > the older ones on the vehicle. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Earle Horton wrote: >> > > >> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? >> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in > my >> > > experience.) >> > > >> > > Earle >> > > >> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... >> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power >> brakes? >> > > > >> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh > pads >> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. >> > > > >> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an > idiot >> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a >> little >> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of > my >> > > > brake lines. >> > > > >> > > > Mike >> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > > Jan/06 >> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > > >> > > > James Drinkwater wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 >> needs >> > > to be >> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, >> ball >> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. >> > > > > Drink >> > > > > >> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . >> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message >> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... >> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like >> Jeep). >> > > But, >> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit > 'cause >> the >> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with > a >> tie >> > > rod >> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over >> steering. >> > > At >> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the >> > > conversion. >> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other >> knuckle >> > > and >> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the >> > > > > >> tie >> rod >> > > end, >> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a >> regular >> > > tie >> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look > too >> > > > > >> difficult >> > > > > >> for me. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Now I have a headache. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the > housing, >> > > just >> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to > be >> cut, >> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper > to >> get >> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have > a >> 30 >> > > year >> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all >> 'round" >> > > that >> > > > > > as >> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to >> change >> > > it? >> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Earle >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
The 4 wheel disks on my WJ seem to do okay although I've never needed to
lock them up (knock wood). That being said I quickly noticed they weren't as responsive as the brakes on the Audi but that is a unfair comparison I think. The only problem on the drums I had on the Dodge (and all the vehicles before that) were when you drove through water deeper than the axle that the brakes weren't much good until you rode them long enough to dry them out. It is all a personal preference I guess, I didn't like disks at first because they were different. "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message news:uckah.7244$k74.3226@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > The Waggy brakes pretty well for an old Jeep (it has discs though). Not > hard > to get the fronts to chirp. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4569bca0$0$1125$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> Interesting, because the brakes on newer Jeeps that I have driven have > been >> pretty good, considering the weight factor. With regard to this thread, >> I >> wouldn't recommend slapping on Dodge brakes, without some consideration >> given to proportioning valve, size of disks, pads and pistons, master >> cylinder, booster, etc. Unless the parts are all matched more or less >> properly, it just won't work as well as it could. >> >> Earle >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:4569C820.58562D66@sympatico.ca... >> > I have not driven a CJ7 that had what I would consider 'good' brakes >> > when compared to any modern car. I have read of lots of folks trying >> > to >> > upgrade them using things like masters out of Caddys and such, but.... >> > >> > I just figure that my CJ7 is the small truck it is supposed to be with >> > braking like a truck. >> > >> > Mine blew a steel 'line' under emergency stopping. Yes it was one of >> > the older ones on the vehicle. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Earle Horton wrote: >> > > >> > > What exactly is the point here? Disks or calipers not big enough? >> > > Mismatched master or booster? (If hoses blow, they are defective, in > my >> > > experience.) >> > > >> > > Earle >> > > >> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> > > news:4569BEFC.92BB4235@sympatico.ca... >> > > > Have you ever driven a more modern CJ with front disks and power >> brakes? >> > > > >> > > > I am 6'4" and 210 lb. My CJ7 has all new rotors, drums and fresh > pads >> > > > and shoes with 33x9.5 muds on. >> > > > >> > > > I was forced to lock up my brakes a couple weeks back due to an > idiot >> > > > pulling a u-turn in front of me and it took 'all' I have to get a >> little >> > > > screech out of them. That much foot pressure actually blew one of > my >> > > > brake lines. >> > > > >> > > > Mike >> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > > Jan/06 >> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > > >> > > > James Drinkwater wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Well, drum brakes just don't cut it for braking and the Dana30 >> needs >> > > to be >> > > > > overhauled completely (driveshaft, all internals, axle U-joints, >> ball >> > > > > joints). So, looking at ditching it and starting from scratch. >> > > > > Drink >> > > > > >> > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> > > > > news:4568c62f$0$21205$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . >> > > > > > "James Drinkwater" <jdrinkwater@satx.rr.com> wrote in message >> > > > > > news:U54ah.2741$_H5.2232@tornado.texas.rr.com... >> > > > > >> No. It's a 5 lug and the guy says it's a 5x5.5 (just like >> Jeep). >> > > But, >> > > > > >> my internet search said that the Jeep/Ford rims won't fit > 'cause >> the >> > > > > >> center hole's not big enough for the hub. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dodge wheels will fit. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> The Dodge knuckles have the steering on the driver side with > a >> tie >> > > rod >> > > > > >> pushing/pulling front to rear so I'd have to get cross-over >> steering. >> > > At >> > > > > >> first, the guy said he'd do it but was quoted $1,000 for the >> > > conversion. >> > > > > >> Then, he said I could just get a machinist to plane the other >> knuckle >> > > and >> > > > > >> bolt a bracket to it. Or, use a heim joint in place of the >> > > > > >> tie >> rod >> > > end, >> > > > > >> with a bolt through it, and another heim joint to connect a >> regular >> > > tie >> > > > > >> rod to the pitman arm. That's all good but the perches look > too >> > > > > >> difficult >> > > > > >> for me. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Now I have a headache. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> The center section spring perch is incorporated in the > housing, >> > > just >> > > > > >> like the D30. If I use it, both tubes and axles will have to > be >> cut, >> > > > > >> right? Before I'm done, won't it be easier and almost cheaper > to >> get >> > > > > >> a custom unit with discs from Currie? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Yeah. What exactly do you want to wind up with here? You have > a >> 30 >> > > year >> > > > > > old Jeep with "original D30 front/AMC20 rear & 11" drums all >> 'round" >> > > that >> > > > > > as >> > > > > > far as we can tell, is still operational. Why do you want to >> change >> > > it? >> > > > > > Disks are nice, but 11" drums aren't too bad either. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Earle >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Earle Horton wrote:
> If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience. Agreed! And this is a very good point to bring up. A full application of the brakes should be made daily before ever driving any vehicle. People take braking systems for granted too often! Brake hardware and hoses (hydraulic or pneumatic) are designed to withstand full application of the service brakes. I was taught early on that this was to be done, along with checking fuel level before driving a vehicle, including (and especially!) the big truck. If hoses burst when testing, this is the time to find out about it, not during an emergency stop. |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Earle Horton wrote:
> If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience. Agreed! And this is a very good point to bring up. A full application of the brakes should be made daily before ever driving any vehicle. People take braking systems for granted too often! Brake hardware and hoses (hydraulic or pneumatic) are designed to withstand full application of the service brakes. I was taught early on that this was to be done, along with checking fuel level before driving a vehicle, including (and especially!) the big truck. If hoses burst when testing, this is the time to find out about it, not during an emergency stop. |
Re: Dodge Axle Swap: Considerations???
Earle Horton wrote:
> If hoses blow, they are defective, in my experience. Agreed! And this is a very good point to bring up. A full application of the brakes should be made daily before ever driving any vehicle. People take braking systems for granted too often! Brake hardware and hoses (hydraulic or pneumatic) are designed to withstand full application of the service brakes. I was taught early on that this was to be done, along with checking fuel level before driving a vehicle, including (and especially!) the big truck. If hoses burst when testing, this is the time to find out about it, not during an emergency stop. |
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