Shaggie

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:21:24 GMT, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:

>CRWLR wrote:
>> "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
>> news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
>>
>>>CRWLR wrote:
>>>
>>>>You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and Safety
>>>>Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
>>
>> Complete
>>
>>>>the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass the
>>>>passenger side airbag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
>>
>> kind
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I disable
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>airbag?
>>>>>
>>>>>-jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
>>>getting anyones permission.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because you
>> are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
>> required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms are
>> filled out.
>>
>> Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are exposed
>> to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability, then
>> cut away ...
>>
>>
>
> Tell me you are not safer running a full cage and 5 point belts as
>opposed to someone in a stock TJ with an airbag and the stock seat belts.

You probably aren't as safe with a roll cage and 5-point seat belts as
someone with an airbag and stock seat belts in some kinds of highway
accidents, and if you disable the airbag and put in a roll-cage and
5-point seat belts and later sell the vehicle to someone and that
person is involved in an accident on the highway and their passenger
is injured... then you might be getting a phone call you don't want to
get. Seems like the best thing to do would be fill out the forms if
needed to make it legal, then disable the airbag after installing the
roll-cage and 5-point seat belts, and then when you go to sell the
vehicle later, re-enable the air-bag. I don't think anyone would
argue with you that a full roll-cage and 5-point seatbelt aren't as
safe on the trails as a stock seatbelt and airbag.

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

Shaggie

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:21:24 GMT, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:

>CRWLR wrote:
>> "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
>> news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
>>
>>>CRWLR wrote:
>>>
>>>>You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and Safety
>>>>Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
>>
>> Complete
>>
>>>>the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass the
>>>>passenger side airbag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
>>
>> kind
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I disable
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>airbag?
>>>>>
>>>>>-jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
>>>getting anyones permission.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because you
>> are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
>> required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms are
>> filled out.
>>
>> Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are exposed
>> to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability, then
>> cut away ...
>>
>>
>
> Tell me you are not safer running a full cage and 5 point belts as
>opposed to someone in a stock TJ with an airbag and the stock seat belts.

You probably aren't as safe with a roll cage and 5-point seat belts as
someone with an airbag and stock seat belts in some kinds of highway
accidents, and if you disable the airbag and put in a roll-cage and
5-point seat belts and later sell the vehicle to someone and that
person is involved in an accident on the highway and their passenger
is injured... then you might be getting a phone call you don't want to
get. Seems like the best thing to do would be fill out the forms if
needed to make it legal, then disable the airbag after installing the
roll-cage and 5-point seat belts, and then when you go to sell the
vehicle later, re-enable the air-bag. I don't think anyone would
argue with you that a full roll-cage and 5-point seatbelt aren't as
safe on the trails as a stock seatbelt and airbag.

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

Shaggie

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:21:24 GMT, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:

>CRWLR wrote:
>> "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
>> news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
>>
>>>CRWLR wrote:
>>>
>>>>You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and Safety
>>>>Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
>>
>> Complete
>>
>>>>the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass the
>>>>passenger side airbag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
>>
>> kind
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I disable
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>airbag?
>>>>>
>>>>>-jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
>>>getting anyones permission.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because you
>> are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
>> required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms are
>> filled out.
>>
>> Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are exposed
>> to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability, then
>> cut away ...
>>
>>
>
> Tell me you are not safer running a full cage and 5 point belts as
>opposed to someone in a stock TJ with an airbag and the stock seat belts.

You probably aren't as safe with a roll cage and 5-point seat belts as
someone with an airbag and stock seat belts in some kinds of highway
accidents, and if you disable the airbag and put in a roll-cage and
5-point seat belts and later sell the vehicle to someone and that
person is involved in an accident on the highway and their passenger
is injured... then you might be getting a phone call you don't want to
get. Seems like the best thing to do would be fill out the forms if
needed to make it legal, then disable the airbag after installing the
roll-cage and 5-point seat belts, and then when you go to sell the
vehicle later, re-enable the air-bag. I don't think anyone would
argue with you that a full roll-cage and 5-point seatbelt aren't as
safe on the trails as a stock seatbelt and airbag.

--

Less drivel, more Dremel.
Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake.
- W.C. Fields

Dave Milne

good point !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:H23Ac.1156$qb2.1099@newssvr23.news.prodigy.co m...
> Never taken your mother-in-law for a spin?
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Real Jeeps Don't Have Airbags
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Dave Milne

good point !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:H23Ac.1156$qb2.1099@newssvr23.news.prodigy.co m...
> Never taken your mother-in-law for a spin?
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Real Jeeps Don't Have Airbags
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Dave Milne

good point !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:H23Ac.1156$qb2.1099@newssvr23.news.prodigy.co m...
> Never taken your mother-in-law for a spin?
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Real Jeeps Don't Have Airbags
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Dave Milne

good point !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:H23Ac.1156$qb2.1099@newssvr23.news.prodigy.co m...
> Never taken your mother-in-law for a spin?
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Real Jeeps Don't Have Airbags
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Jerry Bransford

Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air bag
off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
compartment and BOTH of them must be removed. The two fuses are backup to
each other, they are not in one particular airbag's circuitry.

Being in 4Low does not disable the TJ's air bag circuitry.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
N6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets kind
of
> sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I disable the
> airbag?
>
> -jeff

Jerry Bransford

Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air bag
off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
compartment and BOTH of them must be removed. The two fuses are backup to
each other, they are not in one particular airbag's circuitry.

Being in 4Low does not disable the TJ's air bag circuitry.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
N6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets kind
of
> sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I disable the
> airbag?
>
> -jeff

Jerry Bransford

Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air bag
off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
compartment and BOTH of them must be removed. The two fuses are backup to
each other, they are not in one particular airbag's circuitry.

Being in 4Low does not disable the TJ's air bag circuitry.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
N6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets kind
of
> sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I disable the
> airbag?
>
> -jeff