CRWLR

I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from the
trail.




"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:tks1d01o37ing2s1purpqkmh5lnem47ntq@4ax.com...
> >>Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air
bag
> >>off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
>
> He is right on that Jeff....my TJ has gotten rather intimate with a couple
of trees
> along the trails...no problem with air bags going off...just with cheap
a$$ stock
> bumpers bending.
>
>

Lee Ayrton

The following URL has links to more information on airbag restraints and
the USofA rules that govern their modification than most humans will ever
want:

2. Accident Reconstruction Research : The ARC Network
<URL:http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/research/restraints/index.asp>

Keyword search the page for these two best links: "IIHS: Airbags" and
"NHTSA: Airbags". Lots of stuff about how many deaths result from
airbags, estimates on lives saved, authority to disable airbags, who
should have airbags disabled.


On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, CRWLR wrote:

> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> > Safety
> > > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > > Complete
> > > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> > the
> > > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > > kind
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > >
> > > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
> disable
> > > the
> > > > >>airbag?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > > getting anyones permission.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> > you
> > > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
> are
> > > filled out.
> > >
> > > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> > exposed
> > > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
> then
> > > cut away ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
> it
> > makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
> >
>
> You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.
>
>
> > A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> > facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> > dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> > form.
> >
> > It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
> airbags,
> > then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
> >
>
> If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
> an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
> injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.
>
> The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
> off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
> ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
> the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
> important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
> it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
> airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
> workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
> passenger could elect to drive his own car.
>
>
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

The following URL has links to more information on airbag restraints and
the USofA rules that govern their modification than most humans will ever
want:

2. Accident Reconstruction Research : The ARC Network
<URL:http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/research/restraints/index.asp>

Keyword search the page for these two best links: "IIHS: Airbags" and
"NHTSA: Airbags". Lots of stuff about how many deaths result from
airbags, estimates on lives saved, authority to disable airbags, who
should have airbags disabled.


On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, CRWLR wrote:

> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> > Safety
> > > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > > Complete
> > > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> > the
> > > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > > kind
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > >
> > > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
> disable
> > > the
> > > > >>airbag?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > > getting anyones permission.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> > you
> > > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
> are
> > > filled out.
> > >
> > > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> > exposed
> > > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
> then
> > > cut away ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
> it
> > makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
> >
>
> You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.
>
>
> > A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> > facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> > dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> > form.
> >
> > It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
> airbags,
> > then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
> >
>
> If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
> an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
> injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.
>
> The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
> off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
> ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
> the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
> important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
> it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
> airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
> workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
> passenger could elect to drive his own car.
>
>
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

The following URL has links to more information on airbag restraints and
the USofA rules that govern their modification than most humans will ever
want:

2. Accident Reconstruction Research : The ARC Network
<URL:http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/research/restraints/index.asp>

Keyword search the page for these two best links: "IIHS: Airbags" and
"NHTSA: Airbags". Lots of stuff about how many deaths result from
airbags, estimates on lives saved, authority to disable airbags, who
should have airbags disabled.


On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, CRWLR wrote:

> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> > Safety
> > > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > > Complete
> > > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> > the
> > > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > > kind
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > >
> > > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
> disable
> > > the
> > > > >>airbag?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > > getting anyones permission.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> > you
> > > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
> are
> > > filled out.
> > >
> > > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> > exposed
> > > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
> then
> > > cut away ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
> it
> > makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
> >
>
> You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.
>
>
> > A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> > facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> > dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> > form.
> >
> > It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
> airbags,
> > then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
> >
>
> If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
> an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
> injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.
>
> The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
> off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
> ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
> the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
> important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
> it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
> airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
> workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
> passenger could elect to drive his own car.
>
>
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

The following URL has links to more information on airbag restraints and
the USofA rules that govern their modification than most humans will ever
want:

2. Accident Reconstruction Research : The ARC Network
<URL:http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/research/restraints/index.asp>

Keyword search the page for these two best links: "IIHS: Airbags" and
"NHTSA: Airbags". Lots of stuff about how many deaths result from
airbags, estimates on lives saved, authority to disable airbags, who
should have airbags disabled.


On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, CRWLR wrote:

> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> > Safety
> > > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > > Complete
> > > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> > the
> > > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > > kind
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > >
> > > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
> disable
> > > the
> > > > >>airbag?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > > getting anyones permission.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> > you
> > > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
> are
> > > filled out.
> > >
> > > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> > exposed
> > > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
> then
> > > cut away ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
> it
> > makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
> >
>
> You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.
>
>
> > A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> > facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> > dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> > form.
> >
> > It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
> airbags,
> > then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
> >
>
> If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
> an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
> injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.
>
> The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
> off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
> ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
> the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
> important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
> it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
> airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
> workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
> passenger could elect to drive his own car.
>
>
>
>
>

Handywired

>
>I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
>issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from >the
trail.

Yeah, that's it exactly, though I would not want it armed while offroading,
either. I kind of like the lil' nipper <g>! I just want it off, period, if
she's up front.

-jeff

Handywired

>
>I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
>issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from >the
trail.

Yeah, that's it exactly, though I would not want it armed while offroading,
either. I kind of like the lil' nipper <g>! I just want it off, period, if
she's up front.

-jeff

Handywired

>
>I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
>issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from >the
trail.

Yeah, that's it exactly, though I would not want it armed while offroading,
either. I kind of like the lil' nipper <g>! I just want it off, period, if
she's up front.

-jeff

Handywired

>
>I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
>issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from >the
trail.

Yeah, that's it exactly, though I would not want it armed while offroading,
either. I kind of like the lil' nipper <g>! I just want it off, period, if
she's up front.

-jeff