> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> Tell me you are not safer running a full cage and 5 point belts as
> opposed to someone in a stock TJ with an airbag and the stock seat belts.
>
What are you talking about Kevin?

The OP is not running a modified Jeep, he is running with stock seat belts
and putting a child in the front seat. There is a means by which an owner
can have a bypass system installed on the Passenger Side airbag. It is
simple, and reasonably cheap, if not completely free. It is such an
important safety feature (the bypass switch) that it is installed as
standard equipment.

However, to answer your question, on the surface it would seem the full cage
and the 5-point would be safer, it's just that the OP had an entirely
different question.

 

> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> Tell me you are not safer running a full cage and 5 point belts as
> opposed to someone in a stock TJ with an airbag and the stock seat belts.
>
What are you talking about Kevin?

The OP is not running a modified Jeep, he is running with stock seat belts
and putting a child in the front seat. There is a means by which an owner
can have a bypass system installed on the Passenger Side airbag. It is
simple, and reasonably cheap, if not completely free. It is such an
important safety feature (the bypass switch) that it is installed as
standard equipment.

However, to answer your question, on the surface it would seem the full cage
and the 5-point would be safer, it's just that the OP had an entirely
different question.

 

> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> Tell me you are not safer running a full cage and 5 point belts as
> opposed to someone in a stock TJ with an airbag and the stock seat belts.
>
What are you talking about Kevin?

The OP is not running a modified Jeep, he is running with stock seat belts
and putting a child in the front seat. There is a means by which an owner
can have a bypass system installed on the Passenger Side airbag. It is
simple, and reasonably cheap, if not completely free. It is such an
important safety feature (the bypass switch) that it is installed as
standard equipment.

However, to answer your question, on the surface it would seem the full cage
and the 5-point would be safer, it's just that the OP had an entirely
different question.

 

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> Safety
> > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > Complete
> > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> the
> > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > kind
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
disable
> > the
> > > >>airbag?
> > > >>
> > > >>-jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > getting anyones permission.
> > >
> >
> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
it
> makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
>

You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.


> A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> form.
>
> It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
airbags,
> then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
>

If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.

The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
passenger could elect to drive his own car.

 

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> Safety
> > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > Complete
> > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> the
> > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > kind
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
disable
> > the
> > > >>airbag?
> > > >>
> > > >>-jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > getting anyones permission.
> > >
> >
> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
it
> makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
>

You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.


> A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> form.
>
> It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
airbags,
> then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
>

If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.

The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
passenger could elect to drive his own car.

 

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> Safety
> > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > Complete
> > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> the
> > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > kind
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
disable
> > the
> > > >>airbag?
> > > >>
> > > >>-jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > getting anyones permission.
> > >
> >
> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
it
> makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
>

You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.


> A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> form.
>
> It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
airbags,
> then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
>

If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.

The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
passenger could elect to drive his own car.

 

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40d11e18_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10d0vs3ga4lm61d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
> > news:asVzc.113716$Ly.84059@attbi_s01...
> > > CRWLR wrote:
> > > > You have to visit the NHTSA (National Highway Transportation and
> Safety
> > > > Administration) or some such acronym and download an official form.
> > Complete
> > > > the form and take it to the local dealership for the parts to bypass
> the
> > > > passenger side airbag.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:20040615013314.00136.00000793@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >>My kid would love to go with me on wheeling adventures, but she gets
> > kind
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > >>sick in the back. I think she'd do better up front. How do I
disable
> > the
> > > >>airbag?
> > > >>
> > > >>-jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > As the vehicles owner you can remove or disable the air-bags without
> > > getting anyones permission.
> > >
> >
> > I do not believe that is true. That would be akin to saying that because
> you
> > are the owner, you can cut the seat belts out. The airbag is part of a
> > required safety system, and it can be bypassed with a key if the forms
are
> > filled out.
> >
> > Yes, you can cut the trigger wire to defeat the system, but you are
> exposed
> > to some serious liability later on. If you can manage the liability,
then
> > cut away ...
> >
> >
>
> You can do anything you want to your own vehicle. Cut the seat belts, if
it
> makes ya happy. Hell, this is still America.
>

You can cut your belts out if you want, but you WILL be cited and fined.


> A dealership won't touch this without that form, however. No repair
> facility wants to assume the liability of disabling a safety device. The
> dealerships I have worked at wouldn't disable an airbag system, form or no
> form.
>
> It comes right back to personal responsibility. If you don't want
airbags,
> then simply disconnect them. They won't go off accidentally.
>

If you disable an airbag, put a passenger in the front seat, then get into
an accident where the lack of an airbag made the difference in the level of
injury, or contributed to death, you will be seriously screwed.

The bypass switch turns on a light that tells all aboard that the airbag is
off. If the passenger wants the bag switched on, he can ask. If he does not
ask, he has prior warning and can not sue later. If one simply reaches under
the dash and yanks the wires out, theh passenger will not be aware that the
important safety feature has been disabled, and he might reasonably expect
it to work because there is a large icon on the dash that shows there is an
airbag. I suppose one could put an equally large sticker on that informs the
workd that there is no airbag equipped for the passenger's safety, then the
passenger could elect to drive his own car.

 

I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from the
trail.




"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:tks1d01o37ing2s1purpqkmh5lnem47ntq@4ax.com...
> >>Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air
bag
> >>off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
>
> He is right on that Jeff....my TJ has gotten rather intimate with a couple
of trees
> along the trails...no problem with air bags going off...just with cheap
a$$ stock
> bumpers bending.
>
>

 

I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from the
trail.




"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:tks1d01o37ing2s1purpqkmh5lnem47ntq@4ax.com...
> >>Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air
bag
> >>off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
>
> He is right on that Jeff....my TJ has gotten rather intimate with a couple
of trees
> along the trails...no problem with air bags going off...just with cheap
a$$ stock
> bumpers bending.
>
>

 

I didn't pick up on the idea that the trail was the problem. I thought the
issue was just having the kid in the front seat going to and coming from the
trail.




"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:tks1d01o37ing2s1purpqkmh5lnem47ntq@4ax.com...
> >>Jeff, offroading with even some major hits isn't going to set the air
bag
> >>off. To disable the airbags, there are two fuses behind the glove
>
> He is right on that Jeff....my TJ has gotten rather intimate with a couple
of trees
> along the trails...no problem with air bags going off...just with cheap
a$$ stock
> bumpers bending.
>
>