Diesel Liberty
04-05-2006, 10:06 PM
#71
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Ewan Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>
> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>
> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
> other Jeeps.
>
> Ewan Scott
Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
Mark
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>
> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>
> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
> other Jeeps.
>
> Ewan Scott
Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
Mark
04-05-2006, 10:06 PM
#72
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Ewan Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>
> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>
> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
> other Jeeps.
>
> Ewan Scott
Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
Mark
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>
> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>
> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
> other Jeeps.
>
> Ewan Scott
Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
Mark
04-05-2006, 10:06 PM
#73
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Ewan Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>
> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>
> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
> other Jeeps.
>
> Ewan Scott
Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
Mark
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>
> Mine's a 2.5 CRD and I get just over 30mpg average.
>
> Can't say much more than that, except that in die-hard Land Rover
> Country there are quite a few around. Mine's a 2002 model but it only
> has 24,000 on the clock so feels like new still, so cannot comment on
> longevity, but I can't see any reason why it would be any worse than
> other Jeeps.
>
> Ewan Scott
Thanks! I'm curious how long you think it will last. I have a diesel
Jetta that I expect to drive for over 10 years. Based on fuel
consumption and price differential here, the engine doesn't pay out for
a long time. But if I can buy one vehicle in a 10 year period instead of
two, that makes a huge difference especially when inflation is low.
Mark
04-05-2006, 10:09 PM
#74
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Back when the American economy and productivity was the envy of the world we
equated smoke with prosperity.
Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
the EPA was established?
I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
$300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FoYYf.56650$915.10920@southeast.rr.com...
> Man, that picture gave me a little "chub".
> You ought to see the smoke roll out the stacks on my '88 Western Star,
> (425 Cat, No mufflers, 15spd RR)
> Not quite as thick as that Dodge, but still a sight to see.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> I'm not condoning pollution, by the way.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44344B89.DFFACEE8@***.net...
>> Yes, That's all a gasoline engine needs, they don't need an
>> additional exhaust filter like your Ford. Without which it would look
>> like this when you pour the coal to it:
>> http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust
>>> is to
>>> use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
>
>
equated smoke with prosperity.
Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
the EPA was established?
I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
$300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FoYYf.56650$915.10920@southeast.rr.com...
> Man, that picture gave me a little "chub".
> You ought to see the smoke roll out the stacks on my '88 Western Star,
> (425 Cat, No mufflers, 15spd RR)
> Not quite as thick as that Dodge, but still a sight to see.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> I'm not condoning pollution, by the way.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44344B89.DFFACEE8@***.net...
>> Yes, That's all a gasoline engine needs, they don't need an
>> additional exhaust filter like your Ford. Without which it would look
>> like this when you pour the coal to it:
>> http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust
>>> is to
>>> use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
>
>
04-05-2006, 10:09 PM
#75
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Posts: n/a
Re: Diesel Liberty
Back when the American economy and productivity was the envy of the world we
equated smoke with prosperity.
Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
the EPA was established?
I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
$300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FoYYf.56650$915.10920@southeast.rr.com...
> Man, that picture gave me a little "chub".
> You ought to see the smoke roll out the stacks on my '88 Western Star,
> (425 Cat, No mufflers, 15spd RR)
> Not quite as thick as that Dodge, but still a sight to see.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> I'm not condoning pollution, by the way.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44344B89.DFFACEE8@***.net...
>> Yes, That's all a gasoline engine needs, they don't need an
>> additional exhaust filter like your Ford. Without which it would look
>> like this when you pour the coal to it:
>> http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust
>>> is to
>>> use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
>
>
equated smoke with prosperity.
Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
the EPA was established?
I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
$300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FoYYf.56650$915.10920@southeast.rr.com...
> Man, that picture gave me a little "chub".
> You ought to see the smoke roll out the stacks on my '88 Western Star,
> (425 Cat, No mufflers, 15spd RR)
> Not quite as thick as that Dodge, but still a sight to see.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> I'm not condoning pollution, by the way.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44344B89.DFFACEE8@***.net...
>> Yes, That's all a gasoline engine needs, they don't need an
>> additional exhaust filter like your Ford. Without which it would look
>> like this when you pour the coal to it:
>> http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust
>>> is to
>>> use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
>
>
04-05-2006, 10:09 PM
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Diesel Liberty
Back when the American economy and productivity was the envy of the world we
equated smoke with prosperity.
Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
the EPA was established?
I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
$300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FoYYf.56650$915.10920@southeast.rr.com...
> Man, that picture gave me a little "chub".
> You ought to see the smoke roll out the stacks on my '88 Western Star,
> (425 Cat, No mufflers, 15spd RR)
> Not quite as thick as that Dodge, but still a sight to see.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> I'm not condoning pollution, by the way.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44344B89.DFFACEE8@***.net...
>> Yes, That's all a gasoline engine needs, they don't need an
>> additional exhaust filter like your Ford. Without which it would look
>> like this when you pour the coal to it:
>> http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust
>>> is to
>>> use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
>
>
equated smoke with prosperity.
Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
the EPA was established?
I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
$300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FoYYf.56650$915.10920@southeast.rr.com...
> Man, that picture gave me a little "chub".
> You ought to see the smoke roll out the stacks on my '88 Western Star,
> (425 Cat, No mufflers, 15spd RR)
> Not quite as thick as that Dodge, but still a sight to see.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> I'm not condoning pollution, by the way.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44344B89.DFFACEE8@***.net...
>> Yes, That's all a gasoline engine needs, they don't need an
>> additional exhaust filter like your Ford. Without which it would look
>> like this when you pour the coal to it:
>> http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust
>>> is to
>>> use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
>
>
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
#77
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Is that engine a real diesel or is it a lightweight automotive version?
Seems like if it's a real diesel the extra cost of the fuel might be
more than balanced out by longer life of the engine... it might even
last as long as the first 4.0 in my Cherokee!
Jeff DeWitt
eric@rr.com wrote:
> MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> unleaded).
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mark
Seems like if it's a real diesel the extra cost of the fuel might be
more than balanced out by longer life of the engine... it might even
last as long as the first 4.0 in my Cherokee!
Jeff DeWitt
eric@rr.com wrote:
> MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> unleaded).
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mark
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
#78
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Posts: n/a
Re: Diesel Liberty
Is that engine a real diesel or is it a lightweight automotive version?
Seems like if it's a real diesel the extra cost of the fuel might be
more than balanced out by longer life of the engine... it might even
last as long as the first 4.0 in my Cherokee!
Jeff DeWitt
eric@rr.com wrote:
> MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> unleaded).
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mark
Seems like if it's a real diesel the extra cost of the fuel might be
more than balanced out by longer life of the engine... it might even
last as long as the first 4.0 in my Cherokee!
Jeff DeWitt
eric@rr.com wrote:
> MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> unleaded).
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mark
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Diesel Liberty
Is that engine a real diesel or is it a lightweight automotive version?
Seems like if it's a real diesel the extra cost of the fuel might be
more than balanced out by longer life of the engine... it might even
last as long as the first 4.0 in my Cherokee!
Jeff DeWitt
eric@rr.com wrote:
> MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> unleaded).
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mark
Seems like if it's a real diesel the extra cost of the fuel might be
more than balanced out by longer life of the engine... it might even
last as long as the first 4.0 in my Cherokee!
Jeff DeWitt
eric@rr.com wrote:
> MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> unleaded).
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
>>The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
>>in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mark
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
#80
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Hi Bill,
You can bet China nor Mexico will never have to add that to their
cost of production.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Back when the American economy and productivity was the envy of the world we
> equated smoke with prosperity.
>
> Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
> the EPA was established?
>
> I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
> $300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
You can bet China nor Mexico will never have to add that to their
cost of production.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Back when the American economy and productivity was the envy of the world we
> equated smoke with prosperity.
>
> Is it just a coincidence that the economy went down the tubes right after
> the EPA was established?
>
> I'm not condoning pollution either but just how are they going to install a
> $300, 25 pound catalytic converter on my weed eater.
