Mike Romain

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:49:23 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Elflan wrote:
> > >
> > > > ground beef to smash out a few burgers, some buns, cheese and a few ears of
> > > > corn. The burger fixin's run about $20. I think your costs were a bit on the
> > > > high side.
> > >
> > > Thanks for taking the time to itemize these costs for me. I screwed up
> > > and that's all there is to it.
> > > I won't go back there again, ever.
> > > Nothing else I can do now.
> >
> > I don't think you got took.
> >
> > I don't think you got the cheapest job in town, but I don't think you
> > over paid by much if any.
> >
> > When you start messing with brake line fittings, it can be 'way' more
> > work and cost for a driveway job than a shop with torches and impact
> > tools.
>
> I'm with Mike - the job was a bit high when you figure the DIY costs,
> but it's not out of line with quotes I see from the franchise shops.
> Remember, they markup the parts by at least 50%. Heck, my daughter
> got quoted $150 for what they call a "friction reline" which means
> nothing more than swapping the pads and shoes - normally an hours work
> even if you figure in the time for a beer or two. And they are
> counting on being able to stick her for more when they try to turn the
> rotors/drums and find they are beyond turning limits. Then they find
> the "leaking" brake cylinder or a ridge in the caliper bore. Oh, and
> those hoses don't look very good. And while we're in there...
>
> I don't buy the "pairs" bit they fed you and the parts are a bit high
> but remember that a lot of mechanics (pardon me: technicians) get a
> significant fraction of their income from upsales over the comeon
> price so it buyer beware. It's surprising how many parts you really
> don't need if you pin them down to justify each part but that's the
> game you asked to be dealt into.
>
> --
> Will Honea

I live in the rust belt and when I see one caliper or wheel cylinder
gone bad I always recommend the person change both if it is possible to
do. (some are so rotted we just thank the stars we got one side dome
ok)

They went in in pairs, they were made in pairs, they usually wear out in
pairs.

The last two folks I helped with rear cylinders have both come back
within 6 months needing the other side done.

There are exceptions. I broke the bleeder screw on my CJ's front
caliper because I was in a rush to go bush running. Rather than mess
with it, I spent the $19.00 for a remanned one. The other side was
still in very fine shape.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:49:23 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Elflan wrote:
> > >
> > > > ground beef to smash out a few burgers, some buns, cheese and a few ears of
> > > > corn. The burger fixin's run about $20. I think your costs were a bit on the
> > > > high side.
> > >
> > > Thanks for taking the time to itemize these costs for me. I screwed up
> > > and that's all there is to it.
> > > I won't go back there again, ever.
> > > Nothing else I can do now.
> >
> > I don't think you got took.
> >
> > I don't think you got the cheapest job in town, but I don't think you
> > over paid by much if any.
> >
> > When you start messing with brake line fittings, it can be 'way' more
> > work and cost for a driveway job than a shop with torches and impact
> > tools.
>
> I'm with Mike - the job was a bit high when you figure the DIY costs,
> but it's not out of line with quotes I see from the franchise shops.
> Remember, they markup the parts by at least 50%. Heck, my daughter
> got quoted $150 for what they call a "friction reline" which means
> nothing more than swapping the pads and shoes - normally an hours work
> even if you figure in the time for a beer or two. And they are
> counting on being able to stick her for more when they try to turn the
> rotors/drums and find they are beyond turning limits. Then they find
> the "leaking" brake cylinder or a ridge in the caliper bore. Oh, and
> those hoses don't look very good. And while we're in there...
>
> I don't buy the "pairs" bit they fed you and the parts are a bit high
> but remember that a lot of mechanics (pardon me: technicians) get a
> significant fraction of their income from upsales over the comeon
> price so it buyer beware. It's surprising how many parts you really
> don't need if you pin them down to justify each part but that's the
> game you asked to be dealt into.
>
> --
> Will Honea

I live in the rust belt and when I see one caliper or wheel cylinder
gone bad I always recommend the person change both if it is possible to
do. (some are so rotted we just thank the stars we got one side dome
ok)

They went in in pairs, they were made in pairs, they usually wear out in
pairs.

The last two folks I helped with rear cylinders have both come back
within 6 months needing the other side done.

There are exceptions. I broke the bleeder screw on my CJ's front
caliper because I was in a rush to go bush running. Rather than mess
with it, I spent the $19.00 for a remanned one. The other side was
still in very fine shape.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mike Romain

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:49:23 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Elflan wrote:
> > >
> > > > ground beef to smash out a few burgers, some buns, cheese and a few ears of
> > > > corn. The burger fixin's run about $20. I think your costs were a bit on the
> > > > high side.
> > >
> > > Thanks for taking the time to itemize these costs for me. I screwed up
> > > and that's all there is to it.
> > > I won't go back there again, ever.
> > > Nothing else I can do now.
> >
> > I don't think you got took.
> >
> > I don't think you got the cheapest job in town, but I don't think you
> > over paid by much if any.
> >
> > When you start messing with brake line fittings, it can be 'way' more
> > work and cost for a driveway job than a shop with torches and impact
> > tools.
>
> I'm with Mike - the job was a bit high when you figure the DIY costs,
> but it's not out of line with quotes I see from the franchise shops.
> Remember, they markup the parts by at least 50%. Heck, my daughter
> got quoted $150 for what they call a "friction reline" which means
> nothing more than swapping the pads and shoes - normally an hours work
> even if you figure in the time for a beer or two. And they are
> counting on being able to stick her for more when they try to turn the
> rotors/drums and find they are beyond turning limits. Then they find
> the "leaking" brake cylinder or a ridge in the caliper bore. Oh, and
> those hoses don't look very good. And while we're in there...
>
> I don't buy the "pairs" bit they fed you and the parts are a bit high
> but remember that a lot of mechanics (pardon me: technicians) get a
> significant fraction of their income from upsales over the comeon
> price so it buyer beware. It's surprising how many parts you really
> don't need if you pin them down to justify each part but that's the
> game you asked to be dealt into.
>
> --
> Will Honea

I live in the rust belt and when I see one caliper or wheel cylinder
gone bad I always recommend the person change both if it is possible to
do. (some are so rotted we just thank the stars we got one side dome
ok)

They went in in pairs, they were made in pairs, they usually wear out in
pairs.

The last two folks I helped with rear cylinders have both come back
within 6 months needing the other side done.

There are exceptions. I broke the bleeder screw on my CJ's front
caliper because I was in a rush to go bush running. Rather than mess
with it, I spent the $19.00 for a remanned one. The other side was
still in very fine shape.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Elflan

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
> Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
> should be able to do him/her self.

Thanks for all the comments.
Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.

It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

Elflan

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
> Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
> should be able to do him/her self.

Thanks for all the comments.
Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.

It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

Elflan

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
> Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
> should be able to do him/her self.

Thanks for all the comments.
Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.

It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

Elflan

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
> Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
> should be able to do him/her self.

Thanks for all the comments.
Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.

It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

twaldron

Just Brakes got in serious trouble for that type of "upselling".
Basically, once the vehicle was apart, they "couldn't put it back
together and let you drive off" with the vehicle in "that
condition"...or they could not warranty the job if it wasn't done
"completely and correctly". Their advertised $99 brake job (pad/shoe
replacement) was not to be obtained by most people.

Elflan wrote:

> "K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
>
>>Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
>>should be able to do him/her self.
>
>
> Thanks for all the comments.
> Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
> myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
> of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
> pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.
>
> It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
> probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
> myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
> find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
> That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Just Brakes got in serious trouble for that type of "upselling".
Basically, once the vehicle was apart, they "couldn't put it back
together and let you drive off" with the vehicle in "that
condition"...or they could not warranty the job if it wasn't done
"completely and correctly". Their advertised $99 brake job (pad/shoe
replacement) was not to be obtained by most people.

Elflan wrote:

> "K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
>
>>Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
>>should be able to do him/her self.
>
>
> Thanks for all the comments.
> Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
> myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
> of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
> pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.
>
> It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
> probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
> myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
> find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
> That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Just Brakes got in serious trouble for that type of "upselling".
Basically, once the vehicle was apart, they "couldn't put it back
together and let you drive off" with the vehicle in "that
condition"...or they could not warranty the job if it wasn't done
"completely and correctly". Their advertised $99 brake job (pad/shoe
replacement) was not to be obtained by most people.

Elflan wrote:

> "K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Rc4Ac.45909$eu.1015@attbi_s02>...
>
>>Not to put to fine a point on it but, this is the type of thing a jeep owner
>>should be able to do him/her self.
>
>
> Thanks for all the comments.
> Yes, I have done brakes before but this time I did not want to do it
> myself. My biggest problem is that I had already gone to the trouble
> of making the time to go to the shop and expecting to have just the
> pads replaced and then being sold up on all the other stuff.
>
> It's me figuring that I'll have to have this done sooner or later,
> probably sooner and I'll either be trying to decide to do the work
> myself,(inexperienced) or find another shop to do this work and then
> find the time again to take it in. It's part ignorance and laziness.
> That is my fault. I got a bad case of "oh,what the hell,go ahead."

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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