Dexcool coolant warning
05-19-2007, 10:40 AM
#51
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Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".
This is a pretty chart.
http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC
Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.
Saludos y buena suerte,
Earle
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".
This is a pretty chart.
http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC
Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.
Saludos y buena suerte,
Earle
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb
05-19-2007, 10:40 AM
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".
This is a pretty chart.
http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC
Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.
Saludos y buena suerte,
Earle
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".
This is a pretty chart.
http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC
Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.
Saludos y buena suerte,
Earle
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb
05-19-2007, 10:40 AM
#53
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".
This is a pretty chart.
http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC
Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.
Saludos y buena suerte,
Earle
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".
This is a pretty chart.
http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC
Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.
Saludos y buena suerte,
Earle
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb
05-21-2007, 05:18 PM
#54
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Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
05-21-2007, 05:18 PM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
05-21-2007, 05:18 PM
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
05-21-2007, 05:18 PM
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Dexcool coolant warning
> I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
> (quartz).
> The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
>
> Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to avoid
silicates.
Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's wrong but
that's what their engineer said.
05-21-2007, 07:35 PM
#58
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Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> > (quartz).
> > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
>
> I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to
> avoid silicates.
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's
> wrong but that's what their engineer said.
>
More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate
Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There
are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like
quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about
what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had
quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as
far as I know.
The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for
pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps
you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda
Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue.
Cheers,
Earle
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> > (quartz).
> > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
>
> I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to
> avoid silicates.
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's
> wrong but that's what their engineer said.
>
More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate
Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There
are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like
quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about
what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had
quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as
far as I know.
The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for
pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps
you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda
Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue.
Cheers,
Earle
05-21-2007, 07:35 PM
#59
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Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> > (quartz).
> > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
>
> I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to
> avoid silicates.
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's
> wrong but that's what their engineer said.
>
More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate
Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There
are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like
quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about
what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had
quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as
far as I know.
The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for
pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps
you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda
Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue.
Cheers,
Earle
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> > (quartz).
> > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
>
> I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to
> avoid silicates.
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's
> wrong but that's what their engineer said.
>
More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate
Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There
are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like
quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about
what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had
quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as
far as I know.
The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for
pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps
you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda
Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue.
Cheers,
Earle
05-21-2007, 07:35 PM
#60
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Re: Dexcool coolant warning
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> > (quartz).
> > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
>
> I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to
> avoid silicates.
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's
> wrong but that's what their engineer said.
>
More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate
Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There
are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like
quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about
what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had
quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as
far as I know.
The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for
pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps
you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda
Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue.
Cheers,
Earle
news:5begjfF2skaseU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica"
> > (quartz).
> > The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:
>
> I think you need to re-read the original post. I switched to dex to
> avoid silicates.
> Prestone has described silicates as powdered quartz, maybe that's
> wrong but that's what their engineer said.
>
More than you ever wanted to know, unless you are a geologist that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate
Silicate is the basic building block for almost all kinds of rock. There
are about a zillion different ones, some real soft and some hard like
quartz. Saying that something has "silicate" in it, tells you nothing about
what it will actually do to engine cooling system components. If it had
quartz in it, that would be bad. It wouldn't stay in suspension either, as
far as I know.
The Zerex chart that I posted a link to says that their G-05 is good for
pre-1996 Honda, and their Dex-Cool is good for 1996 and later. For Jeeps
you want Green for pre-2001 and G-05 for 2001 and later. My 1999 Honda
Civic came with Green in it. It now has Honda Genuine blue.
Cheers,
Earle