Richard J Kinch

Stupendous Man writes:

> "Normal" modern coolants contain silicates to scour the cooling system
> clean of corrosion, and are fine for most engines.

I think you're confusing "silicates" (cleaning agents) with "silica" (quartz).
The former is in your dishwasher detergent, the latter at the beach.

Actually, I don't know that Dex-Cool even contains silicates:

http://www.havoline.com/images/produ...nti_exlife.pdf

http://www.pzlqs.com/Tech/Pdsheet/Do...merCoolant.PDF

Coasty

You may want to read this
http://pages.infinit.net/mcrides/eng...ne_coolant.htm

Coasty


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda bike
> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting to
> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short
> Google turns out that lots of people have had similar problems.
> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Coasty

You may want to read this
http://pages.infinit.net/mcrides/eng...ne_coolant.htm

Coasty


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda bike
> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting to
> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short
> Google turns out that lots of people have had similar problems.
> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Coasty

You may want to read this
http://pages.infinit.net/mcrides/eng...ne_coolant.htm

Coasty


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda bike
> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting to
> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short
> Google turns out that lots of people have had similar problems.
> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Coasty

You may want to read this
http://pages.infinit.net/mcrides/eng...ne_coolant.htm

Coasty


"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda bike
> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting to
> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short
> Google turns out that lots of people have had similar problems.
> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Coasty

Preston makes a universal for all makes and models which meets all
manufacturer specifications.
http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php I have been using it
in all my vehicles and jeeps one size fits all you got to love it.

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464c8ebb$0$28222$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I put Honda Genuine premix in both my Hondas, a 2002 CR-V and a 1999 Civic
> HX. The Civic came new with green antifreeze, probably identical to the
> Zerex Green that you can still get at Autozone, but I am not taking any
> chances. Ten bucks a gallon for premix seems a lot, but that is enough to
> change the entire cooling system in the Civic and a gallon and a half for
> the CR-V. The bad part is I have to drive 135 miles one way to get it.
>
> Afaik, Dexcool is for GM vehicles. "DEX-COOL is a registered trademark of
> General Motors Corporation." What don't people understand about this?
>
> The auto industry is seriously out of control on the coolant issue. I
> have
> four different vehicles and this requires three different coolant types.
> But if you mix and match or even try to save money by using a sensible
> alternative you are looking for trouble.
>
> Earle
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
>> bike
>> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
>> to
>> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
>> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in coolant
>> had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>>
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>>
>
>

Coasty

Preston makes a universal for all makes and models which meets all
manufacturer specifications.
http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php I have been using it
in all my vehicles and jeeps one size fits all you got to love it.

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464c8ebb$0$28222$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I put Honda Genuine premix in both my Hondas, a 2002 CR-V and a 1999 Civic
> HX. The Civic came new with green antifreeze, probably identical to the
> Zerex Green that you can still get at Autozone, but I am not taking any
> chances. Ten bucks a gallon for premix seems a lot, but that is enough to
> change the entire cooling system in the Civic and a gallon and a half for
> the CR-V. The bad part is I have to drive 135 miles one way to get it.
>
> Afaik, Dexcool is for GM vehicles. "DEX-COOL is a registered trademark of
> General Motors Corporation." What don't people understand about this?
>
> The auto industry is seriously out of control on the coolant issue. I
> have
> four different vehicles and this requires three different coolant types.
> But if you mix and match or even try to save money by using a sensible
> alternative you are looking for trouble.
>
> Earle
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
>> bike
>> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
>> to
>> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
>> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in coolant
>> had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>>
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>>
>
>

Coasty

Preston makes a universal for all makes and models which meets all
manufacturer specifications.
http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php I have been using it
in all my vehicles and jeeps one size fits all you got to love it.

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464c8ebb$0$28222$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I put Honda Genuine premix in both my Hondas, a 2002 CR-V and a 1999 Civic
> HX. The Civic came new with green antifreeze, probably identical to the
> Zerex Green that you can still get at Autozone, but I am not taking any
> chances. Ten bucks a gallon for premix seems a lot, but that is enough to
> change the entire cooling system in the Civic and a gallon and a half for
> the CR-V. The bad part is I have to drive 135 miles one way to get it.
>
> Afaik, Dexcool is for GM vehicles. "DEX-COOL is a registered trademark of
> General Motors Corporation." What don't people understand about this?
>
> The auto industry is seriously out of control on the coolant issue. I
> have
> four different vehicles and this requires three different coolant types.
> But if you mix and match or even try to save money by using a sensible
> alternative you are looking for trouble.
>
> Earle
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
>> bike
>> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
>> to
>> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
>> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in coolant
>> had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>>
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>>
>
>

Coasty

Preston makes a universal for all makes and models which meets all
manufacturer specifications.
http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php I have been using it
in all my vehicles and jeeps one size fits all you got to love it.

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464c8ebb$0$28222$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>I put Honda Genuine premix in both my Hondas, a 2002 CR-V and a 1999 Civic
> HX. The Civic came new with green antifreeze, probably identical to the
> Zerex Green that you can still get at Autozone, but I am not taking any
> chances. Ten bucks a gallon for premix seems a lot, but that is enough to
> change the entire cooling system in the Civic and a gallon and a half for
> the CR-V. The bad part is I have to drive 135 miles one way to get it.
>
> Afaik, Dexcool is for GM vehicles. "DEX-COOL is a registered trademark of
> General Motors Corporation." What don't people understand about this?
>
> The auto industry is seriously out of control on the coolant issue. I
> have
> four different vehicles and this requires three different coolant types.
> But if you mix and match or even try to save money by using a sensible
> alternative you are looking for trouble.
>
> Earle
>
> "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
>> bike
>> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
>> to
>> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket last
>> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in coolant
>> had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>>
>> --
>> Stupendous Man,
>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>
>>
>
>

Earle Horton

I believe that this is the same as the end-of-the-aisle one-size-fits-all
coolant sold as SuperTech by Walmart. I posted the ingredients here and
someone told me it was DexCool, or a blend of DexCool ingredients and
something else. I put it in my GM vehicle but I am not taking chances with
my Hondas or my Jeep. If you would like to look at the thread, the subject
is "Coolant Surprise" from December 2006, pretty easy to find in Google
Groups. It is also explained there why a single formula cannot meet the
CONFLICTING OEM requirements for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants.

Here is the relevant response, that made me not use it in my Jeep.

"Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the coolant
you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put this in a
Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. old later when
you have to replace the entire cooling system."

Outatime posted that.

I wouldn't use the Prestone stuff you are using in Jeep unless it says
"meets Jeep specifications" or lists the ingredients.

Earle

"Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ypSdnfeZ9e5trtPbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Preston makes a universal for all makes and models which meets all
> manufacturer specifications.
> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php I have been using
it
> in all my vehicles and jeeps one size fits all you got to love it.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
> news:464c8ebb$0$28222$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> >I put Honda Genuine premix in both my Hondas, a 2002 CR-V and a 1999
Civic
> > HX. The Civic came new with green antifreeze, probably identical to the
> > Zerex Green that you can still get at Autozone, but I am not taking any
> > chances. Ten bucks a gallon for premix seems a lot, but that is enough
to
> > change the entire cooling system in the Civic and a gallon and a half
for
> > the CR-V. The bad part is I have to drive 135 miles one way to get it.
> >
> > Afaik, Dexcool is for GM vehicles. "DEX-COOL is a registered trademark
of
> > General Motors Corporation." What don't people understand about this?
> >
> > The auto industry is seriously out of control on the coolant issue. I
> > have
> > four different vehicles and this requires three different coolant types.
> > But if you mix and match or even try to save money by using a sensible
> > alternative you are looking for trouble.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
> > news:5b246sF2r8tn7U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
> >> bike
> >> waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
> >> to
> >> spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
> >> I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket
last
> >> fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
> >> Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> > than
> >> .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
coolant
> >> had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> > turns
> >> out that lots of people have had similar problems.
> >> I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stupendous Man,
> >> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>