Earle Horton

Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for
you.

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8

Earle

"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> long as you didn't let critters get to it.
>
> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
>
> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
>
> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
bike
> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
to
> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket
last
> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
than
> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
coolant
> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
turns
> > out that lots of people have had similar problems.
> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
> >

Coasty

This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for
> you.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
>> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
>> long as you didn't let critters get to it.
>>
>> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
>>
>> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
>> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
>>
>> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Stupendous Man wrote:
>> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
> bike
>> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
> to
>> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket
> last
>> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant
>> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> > out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>> >
>
>

Coasty

This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for
> you.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
>> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
>> long as you didn't let critters get to it.
>>
>> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
>>
>> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
>> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
>>
>> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Stupendous Man wrote:
>> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
> bike
>> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
> to
>> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket
> last
>> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant
>> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> > out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>> >
>
>

Coasty

This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for
> you.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
>> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
>> long as you didn't let critters get to it.
>>
>> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
>>
>> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
>> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
>>
>> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Stupendous Man wrote:
>> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
> bike
>> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
> to
>> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket
> last
>> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant
>> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> > out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>> >
>
>

Coasty

This may help a good read
http://www.aftermarketbusiness.com/a....jsp?id=358271

Coasty



"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:464e76ea$0$28264$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Zerex Green is supposed to be close. Autozone has it or can order it for
> you.
>
> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8
>
> Earle
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
>> was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
>> long as you didn't let critters get to it.
>>
>> Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
>>
>> Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
>> to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
>>
>> Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Stupendous Man wrote:
>> > After learning that silicates (powdered quartz) in coolant kill Honda
> bike
>> > waterpumps, I have been running Dexcool in all my vehicles, not wanting
> to
>> > spend $30 for Hondaline pre-mix once a year.
>> > I didn't think too much about it when my VW diesel blew a headgasket
> last
>> > fall with less that .0015 In. warpage. I have ben running Dexcool in my
>> > Goldwing for 3 years, and it blew a headgasket last month. I found less
> than
>> > .001 In. warpage and the gaskets where they were free-standing in
> coolant
>> > had all the material either gone or blistered up badly. A short Google
> turns
>> > out that lots of people have had similar problems.
>> > I changed the coolant in the other 6 vehicles.
>> >
>
>

Herb Leong

In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
#For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
#was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
#long as you didn't let critters get to it.
#
#Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
#
#Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
#to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
#
#Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
#
#Jeff DeWitt

Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.

Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.

Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.

As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
ethylene glycol and Ford does not?

/herb

Herb Leong

In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
#For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
#was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
#long as you didn't let critters get to it.
#
#Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
#
#Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
#to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
#
#Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
#
#Jeff DeWitt

Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.

Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.

Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.

As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
ethylene glycol and Ford does not?

/herb

Herb Leong

In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
#For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
#was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
#long as you didn't let critters get to it.
#
#Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
#
#Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
#to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
#
#Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
#
#Jeff DeWitt

Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.

Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.

Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.

As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
ethylene glycol and Ford does not?

/herb

Herb Leong

In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
#For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
#was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
#long as you didn't let critters get to it.
#
#Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
#
#Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
#to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
#
#Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
#
#Jeff DeWitt

Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.

Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.

Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.

As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
ethylene glycol and Ford does not?

/herb

Earle Horton

Heh, I count three basic types of coolant, IAT, OAT and HOAT, plus the
Walmart SuperTech stuff that is "compatible with all types".

This is a pretty chart.

http://www.valvoline.com/zerex/pdf/Z...d=1B5D1AEA1AFC

Don't blame the government solely for screwing this up. The auto
manufacturers played their own parts, but developing water pump seals that
each "require" their own special type of coolant/lubrication. You can
choose to believe them or not, but who wants to take chances? A water pump
seal isn't too expensive a lesson, but a head gasket can be a major pita.

Saludos y buena suerte,

Earle

"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:kMGdnRpztPV_WdPbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <464e7152$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> #For DECADES we used the same green ethylene glycol coolant. The price
> #was reasonable, it worked well, and was harmless to the environment as
> #long as you didn't let critters get to it.
> #
> #Then the government screwed everything up (as they do SO well).
> #
> #Does anyone still make the good old fashioned coolant anymore? I want
> #to use it in my 96 Cherokee and my Studebakers.
> #
> #Or is real coolant considered an environmental hate crime these days?
> #
> #Jeff DeWitt
>
> Don't go by color alone. It's just a dye added in by the coolant
> producer. Look at the specs that the stuff meets--Chrysler MS 7170,
> Chrysler MS 9769, Ford ESE-M97B44-A, Ford WSS-M97B51-A1, etc.
>
> Two coolents can have the same specs and be two different colors and
> likewise, be the same color and not be compatable.
>
> Ford G-05 and Zerex G-05 are yellow. Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL
> are both orange. Zerex G-05 meets both the Ford and Chrysler standards.
> Chrysler G-05 and GM DEX-COOL are totaly incompatable.
>
> As a side question, the rental Ford I drove around recently had a "no
> orange" sticker on the coolant overflow bottle. Definatly no DEX-COOL.
> But does it also mean no Chrysler G-05 since Chrysler uses 10% recycled
> ethylene glycol and Ford does not?
>
> /herb