Re: Re: detroit locker problem
 

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:34:58 -0700, bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
>Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
>Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
>tim


The "problem" with a Detriot type lockers is that if the is any speed
variatio between the two wheels going down the road that can clunck
and when they get can get worse. These style lockers have absolutely
no abilty to power both wheel at even the slighest speed difference.
It is either both locked together and skidding in a turn and it
unlocking when conditons permit and switching to 1wd and one wheel
coasting. You are hearing this happen. Eitheri you have a different
rolling radius between them, your truck is dog tracking a bit and you
are wondering a bit on the road abd a speed differnce is developing
and it is trying to rachet one wheel to free torque on axles. ALso a
D35 is not a strong axle not have a very big carrier so with a Detriot
in it and big tires it is going to tend to wear out with time and get
clunkier in operation. A carrier gets its strength for its diameterand
the small carrier ina D35 with a detriot works a lot harder than even
a D44 carrier on same wheel torque load. This is one reasom why GM
GovLocs have been known to grenade in 10 bolts with big tires and off
road use because the carrier is small in diameter compared to a GM 9.5
or 10.5 which have bigger daimeter carriers and lower surface loads on
clutch or locking device because on their increased diameter. To put
it another way in your D35 the locking device has maybe a 3 inch
diameter at most (likely less) because of small carrier and if it is
indeed 3 inched were it locks at the mean you have a 1.5 inch radiuse
from axle center line and you have tires that have a 16.5 inch radius
from center line so 16.5 divided by 1.5 equals 11 which meeans 11
times the force place on one wheel is placed on locker and 22 times
that amount for ce applied to both wheels. If you put down a combine
suface trative force of say 3000 lbs that means that locker is seeing
over 60,000 pound of force which will take a toll with time. A bigger
axle with a bigger carrier that allowed even a 1 inch bigger daimeter
locker would se switched locker surface loads reduced 33% with same
surface traction effort being applied. What this all means is
everything else look okay your locker is likely wearing out from the
extreme loads being placed on it.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: detroit locker problem
 

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:34:58 -0700, bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
>Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
>Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
>tim


The "problem" with a Detriot type lockers is that if the is any speed
variatio between the two wheels going down the road that can clunck
and when they get can get worse. These style lockers have absolutely
no abilty to power both wheel at even the slighest speed difference.
It is either both locked together and skidding in a turn and it
unlocking when conditons permit and switching to 1wd and one wheel
coasting. You are hearing this happen. Eitheri you have a different
rolling radius between them, your truck is dog tracking a bit and you
are wondering a bit on the road abd a speed differnce is developing
and it is trying to rachet one wheel to free torque on axles. ALso a
D35 is not a strong axle not have a very big carrier so with a Detriot
in it and big tires it is going to tend to wear out with time and get
clunkier in operation. A carrier gets its strength for its diameterand
the small carrier ina D35 with a detriot works a lot harder than even
a D44 carrier on same wheel torque load. This is one reasom why GM
GovLocs have been known to grenade in 10 bolts with big tires and off
road use because the carrier is small in diameter compared to a GM 9.5
or 10.5 which have bigger daimeter carriers and lower surface loads on
clutch or locking device because on their increased diameter. To put
it another way in your D35 the locking device has maybe a 3 inch
diameter at most (likely less) because of small carrier and if it is
indeed 3 inched were it locks at the mean you have a 1.5 inch radiuse
from axle center line and you have tires that have a 16.5 inch radius
from center line so 16.5 divided by 1.5 equals 11 which meeans 11
times the force place on one wheel is placed on locker and 22 times
that amount for ce applied to both wheels. If you put down a combine
suface trative force of say 3000 lbs that means that locker is seeing
over 60,000 pound of force which will take a toll with time. A bigger
axle with a bigger carrier that allowed even a 1 inch bigger daimeter
locker would se switched locker surface loads reduced 33% with same
surface traction effort being applied. What this all means is
everything else look okay your locker is likely wearing out from the
extreme loads being placed on it.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: detroit locker problem
 

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:34:58 -0700, bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
>Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
>Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
>tim


The "problem" with a Detriot type lockers is that if the is any speed
variatio between the two wheels going down the road that can clunck
and when they get can get worse. These style lockers have absolutely
no abilty to power both wheel at even the slighest speed difference.
It is either both locked together and skidding in a turn and it
unlocking when conditons permit and switching to 1wd and one wheel
coasting. You are hearing this happen. Eitheri you have a different
rolling radius between them, your truck is dog tracking a bit and you
are wondering a bit on the road abd a speed differnce is developing
and it is trying to rachet one wheel to free torque on axles. ALso a
D35 is not a strong axle not have a very big carrier so with a Detriot
in it and big tires it is going to tend to wear out with time and get
clunkier in operation. A carrier gets its strength for its diameterand
the small carrier ina D35 with a detriot works a lot harder than even
a D44 carrier on same wheel torque load. This is one reasom why GM
GovLocs have been known to grenade in 10 bolts with big tires and off
road use because the carrier is small in diameter compared to a GM 9.5
or 10.5 which have bigger daimeter carriers and lower surface loads on
clutch or locking device because on their increased diameter. To put
it another way in your D35 the locking device has maybe a 3 inch
diameter at most (likely less) because of small carrier and if it is
indeed 3 inched were it locks at the mean you have a 1.5 inch radiuse
from axle center line and you have tires that have a 16.5 inch radius
from center line so 16.5 divided by 1.5 equals 11 which meeans 11
times the force place on one wheel is placed on locker and 22 times
that amount for ce applied to both wheels. If you put down a combine
suface trative force of say 3000 lbs that means that locker is seeing
over 60,000 pound of force which will take a toll with time. A bigger
axle with a bigger carrier that allowed even a 1 inch bigger daimeter
locker would se switched locker surface loads reduced 33% with same
surface traction effort being applied. What this all means is
everything else look okay your locker is likely wearing out from the
extreme loads being placed on it.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: detroit locker problem
 

bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
> Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
> Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
> tim
>

Maybe have someone follow you to make sure you aren't puppy dog walking
down the road from a worn out control arm or other bushing.

Have you checked the fluid level?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: detroit locker problem
 

bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
> Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
> Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
> tim
>

Maybe have someone follow you to make sure you aren't puppy dog walking
down the road from a worn out control arm or other bushing.

Have you checked the fluid level?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: detroit locker problem
 

bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
> Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
> Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
> tim
>

Maybe have someone follow you to make sure you aren't puppy dog walking
down the road from a worn out control arm or other bushing.

Have you checked the fluid level?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: detroit locker problem
 

bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear mesh
>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You have
>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full Detroit
>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>
> Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>
> Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>
> tim
>

Maybe have someone follow you to make sure you aren't puppy dog walking
down the road from a worn out control arm or other bushing.

Have you checked the fluid level?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Re: detroit locker problem
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:hmdma3d5fij1n1lvbqi3msu7ne88k15ams@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:34:58 -0700, bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear
>>> mesh
>>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You
>>> have
>>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full
>>> Detroit
>>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>>
>>Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>>
>>Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>>
>>tim
>
>
> The "problem" with a Detriot type lockers is that if the is any speed
> variatio between the two wheels going down the road that can clunck
> and when they get can get worse. These style lockers have absolutely
> no abilty to power both wheel at even the slighest speed difference.
> It is either both locked together and skidding in a turn and it
> unlocking when conditons permit and switching to 1wd and one wheel
> coasting. You are hearing this happen. Eitheri you have a different
> rolling radius between them, your truck is dog tracking a bit and you
> are wondering a bit on the road abd a speed differnce is developing
> and it is trying to rachet one wheel to free torque on axles. ALso a
> D35 is not a strong axle not have a very big carrier so with a Detriot
> in it and big tires it is going to tend to wear out with time and get
> clunkier in operation. A carrier gets its strength for its diameterand
> the small carrier ina D35 with a detriot works a lot harder than even
> a D44 carrier on same wheel torque load. This is one reasom why GM
> GovLocs have been known to grenade in 10 bolts with big tires and off
> road use because the carrier is small in diameter compared to a GM 9.5
> or 10.5 which have bigger daimeter carriers and lower surface loads on
> clutch or locking device because on their increased diameter. To put
> it another way in your D35 the locking device has maybe a 3 inch
> diameter at most (likely less) because of small carrier and if it is
> indeed 3 inched were it locks at the mean you have a 1.5 inch radiuse
> from axle center line and you have tires that have a 16.5 inch radius
> from center line so 16.5 divided by 1.5 equals 11 which meeans 11
> times the force place on one wheel is placed on locker and 22 times
> that amount for ce applied to both wheels. If you put down a combine
> suface trative force of say 3000 lbs that means that locker is seeing
> over 60,000 pound of force which will take a toll with time. A bigger
> axle with a bigger carrier that allowed even a 1 inch bigger daimeter
> locker would se switched locker surface loads reduced 33% with same
> surface traction effort being applied. What this all means is
> everything else look okay your locker is likely wearing out from the
> extreme loads being placed on it.


You should stick to things you know (which would limit your posts, sorry).

It is clear that you do not have a Detroit Locker. I happen to agree with
you though, the D35 is not up to the task of a Detroit and 35s. Having said
that, the axle shafts in a D35 should have been upgraded to what they call a
Super35 when the Detroit was installed.

Re: Re: detroit locker problem
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:hmdma3d5fij1n1lvbqi3msu7ne88k15ams@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:34:58 -0700, bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear
>>> mesh
>>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You
>>> have
>>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full
>>> Detroit
>>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>>
>>Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>>
>>Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>>
>>tim
>
>
> The "problem" with a Detriot type lockers is that if the is any speed
> variatio between the two wheels going down the road that can clunck
> and when they get can get worse. These style lockers have absolutely
> no abilty to power both wheel at even the slighest speed difference.
> It is either both locked together and skidding in a turn and it
> unlocking when conditons permit and switching to 1wd and one wheel
> coasting. You are hearing this happen. Eitheri you have a different
> rolling radius between them, your truck is dog tracking a bit and you
> are wondering a bit on the road abd a speed differnce is developing
> and it is trying to rachet one wheel to free torque on axles. ALso a
> D35 is not a strong axle not have a very big carrier so with a Detriot
> in it and big tires it is going to tend to wear out with time and get
> clunkier in operation. A carrier gets its strength for its diameterand
> the small carrier ina D35 with a detriot works a lot harder than even
> a D44 carrier on same wheel torque load. This is one reasom why GM
> GovLocs have been known to grenade in 10 bolts with big tires and off
> road use because the carrier is small in diameter compared to a GM 9.5
> or 10.5 which have bigger daimeter carriers and lower surface loads on
> clutch or locking device because on their increased diameter. To put
> it another way in your D35 the locking device has maybe a 3 inch
> diameter at most (likely less) because of small carrier and if it is
> indeed 3 inched were it locks at the mean you have a 1.5 inch radiuse
> from axle center line and you have tires that have a 16.5 inch radius
> from center line so 16.5 divided by 1.5 equals 11 which meeans 11
> times the force place on one wheel is placed on locker and 22 times
> that amount for ce applied to both wheels. If you put down a combine
> suface trative force of say 3000 lbs that means that locker is seeing
> over 60,000 pound of force which will take a toll with time. A bigger
> axle with a bigger carrier that allowed even a 1 inch bigger daimeter
> locker would se switched locker surface loads reduced 33% with same
> surface traction effort being applied. What this all means is
> everything else look okay your locker is likely wearing out from the
> extreme loads being placed on it.


You should stick to things you know (which would limit your posts, sorry).

It is clear that you do not have a Detroit Locker. I happen to agree with
you though, the D35 is not up to the task of a Detroit and 35s. Having said
that, the axle shafts in a D35 should have been upgraded to what they call a
Super35 when the Detroit was installed.

Re: Re: detroit locker problem
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:hmdma3d5fij1n1lvbqi3msu7ne88k15ams@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:34:58 -0700, bonsai4tim@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you should be able to pull the locker without altering the gear
>>> mesh
>>> settings. If you have the EZ Locker, then you are at a cross-road. You
>>> have
>>> to consider putting in another EZ Locker, or upgrading to the Full
>>> Detroit
>>> that can handle the loads placed upon it.
>>
>>Yes, its a dana 35 (key error)
>>
>>Its not an EZ locker, it's the Full Detroit style.
>>
>>tim
>
>
> The "problem" with a Detriot type lockers is that if the is any speed
> variatio between the two wheels going down the road that can clunck
> and when they get can get worse. These style lockers have absolutely
> no abilty to power both wheel at even the slighest speed difference.
> It is either both locked together and skidding in a turn and it
> unlocking when conditons permit and switching to 1wd and one wheel
> coasting. You are hearing this happen. Eitheri you have a different
> rolling radius between them, your truck is dog tracking a bit and you
> are wondering a bit on the road abd a speed differnce is developing
> and it is trying to rachet one wheel to free torque on axles. ALso a
> D35 is not a strong axle not have a very big carrier so with a Detriot
> in it and big tires it is going to tend to wear out with time and get
> clunkier in operation. A carrier gets its strength for its diameterand
> the small carrier ina D35 with a detriot works a lot harder than even
> a D44 carrier on same wheel torque load. This is one reasom why GM
> GovLocs have been known to grenade in 10 bolts with big tires and off
> road use because the carrier is small in diameter compared to a GM 9.5
> or 10.5 which have bigger daimeter carriers and lower surface loads on
> clutch or locking device because on their increased diameter. To put
> it another way in your D35 the locking device has maybe a 3 inch
> diameter at most (likely less) because of small carrier and if it is
> indeed 3 inched were it locks at the mean you have a 1.5 inch radiuse
> from axle center line and you have tires that have a 16.5 inch radius
> from center line so 16.5 divided by 1.5 equals 11 which meeans 11
> times the force place on one wheel is placed on locker and 22 times
> that amount for ce applied to both wheels. If you put down a combine
> suface trative force of say 3000 lbs that means that locker is seeing
> over 60,000 pound of force which will take a toll with time. A bigger
> axle with a bigger carrier that allowed even a 1 inch bigger daimeter
> locker would se switched locker surface loads reduced 33% with same
> surface traction effort being applied. What this all means is
> everything else look okay your locker is likely wearing out from the
> extreme loads being placed on it.


You should stick to things you know (which would limit your posts, sorry).

It is clear that you do not have a Detroit Locker. I happen to agree with
you though, the D35 is not up to the task of a Detroit and 35s. Having said
that, the axle shafts in a D35 should have been upgraded to what they call a
Super35 when the Detroit was installed.