Intergate

HHmm I got my 2004 Columbia Edition Wrangler, sticker $22850, in a
dealer swap for $18000 and 0% interest.

I don't think they lost the hold back.
--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)


"IsellJeeps" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0g8Qd.9655$D34.5738@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade"
> from
> somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which
> on a
> wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:mL7Qd.11074$Tt.2421@fed1read05...
>> Something that few people realize is that a dealer will ALWAYS be
>> more
>> willing to wheel and deal on a vehicle that is already on his lot
>> than
>> one that is ordered. Definitely. And that means that if you
>> negotiate,
>> you can usually get a better "enough" price on that vehicle on the
>> lot,
>> enough so that those extra options you don't want can be "free" if
>> compared to what the ordered vehicle will end up costing.
>>
>> A dealer will always prefer selling something he is already paying
>> for
>> that is taking up space on the lot and will, once again, always
>> give a
>> better deal on that than one he has to order and wait for. This is
>> also
>> true for one he can do a dealer trade or dealer locate since both
>> dealers want to unload that vehicle already on the lot.
>> Definitely.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> twaldron wrote:
>> > This is Nathan's purchase, but I'm going to give my opinion
>> > anyway...
>> > I order because there is generally always extra options on the
>> > lot
>> > vehicle or they don't have something I wanted. Also, you have an
>> > added
>> > cost in 'locating' a vehicle and transporting it to the selling
>> > dealer.
>> > I buy around invoice or below so those charges are just plain
>> > annoying
>> > to me. Besides, sometimes the window sticker has my name on it!
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Intergate wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the
>> >> lots
>> >> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built
>> >> with
>> >> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Intergate

HHmm I got my 2004 Columbia Edition Wrangler, sticker $22850, in a
dealer swap for $18000 and 0% interest.

I don't think they lost the hold back.
--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)


"IsellJeeps" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0g8Qd.9655$D34.5738@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade"
> from
> somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which
> on a
> wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:mL7Qd.11074$Tt.2421@fed1read05...
>> Something that few people realize is that a dealer will ALWAYS be
>> more
>> willing to wheel and deal on a vehicle that is already on his lot
>> than
>> one that is ordered. Definitely. And that means that if you
>> negotiate,
>> you can usually get a better "enough" price on that vehicle on the
>> lot,
>> enough so that those extra options you don't want can be "free" if
>> compared to what the ordered vehicle will end up costing.
>>
>> A dealer will always prefer selling something he is already paying
>> for
>> that is taking up space on the lot and will, once again, always
>> give a
>> better deal on that than one he has to order and wait for. This is
>> also
>> true for one he can do a dealer trade or dealer locate since both
>> dealers want to unload that vehicle already on the lot.
>> Definitely.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> twaldron wrote:
>> > This is Nathan's purchase, but I'm going to give my opinion
>> > anyway...
>> > I order because there is generally always extra options on the
>> > lot
>> > vehicle or they don't have something I wanted. Also, you have an
>> > added
>> > cost in 'locating' a vehicle and transporting it to the selling
>> > dealer.
>> > I buy around invoice or below so those charges are just plain
>> > annoying
>> > to me. Besides, sometimes the window sticker has my name on it!
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Intergate wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the
>> >> lots
>> >> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built
>> >> with
>> >> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Intergate

Cool I did not know they did that.

Like I said though around here there a three Jeep Dealers with Much
many Wranglers of every kind and color, although when I bought mine
none had yellow so I had them go get me one. They were supposed to
charge me $100 to get it but never did. I have bought a few vehicles
from them though

--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)


"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:111184tpm85s249@corp.supernews.com...
>
> although your message was in response to twaldrons post, ill assume
> it was directed to me and respond.
>
>
>> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the lots
>> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built with
>> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>
> all the rubicons on the local lots here in billings montana had the
> grey tops with grey fenders. they also all had dual tops and manual
> transmissions. by ordering it im getting the exact jeep i want with
> nothing i dont. seeing "built especially for nathan w. collier" on
> the window sticker is a bonus. :-)
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

Intergate

Cool I did not know they did that.

Like I said though around here there a three Jeep Dealers with Much
many Wranglers of every kind and color, although when I bought mine
none had yellow so I had them go get me one. They were supposed to
charge me $100 to get it but never did. I have bought a few vehicles
from them though

--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)


"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11125q0hfq1hc1a@corp.supernews.com...
> "Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:111184tpm85s249@corp.supernews.com...
>
> although your message was in response to twaldrons post, ill assume
> it was directed to me and respond.
>
>
>> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the lots
>> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built with
>> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>
> all the rubicons on the local lots here in billings montana had the
> grey tops with grey fenders. they also all had dual tops and manual
> transmissions. by ordering it im getting the exact jeep i want with
> nothing i dont. seeing "built especially for nathan w. collier" on
> the window sticker is a bonus. :-)
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

Intergate

Cool I did not know they did that.

Like I said though around here there a three Jeep Dealers with Much
many Wranglers of every kind and color, although when I bought mine
none had yellow so I had them go get me one. They were supposed to
charge me $100 to get it but never did. I have bought a few vehicles
from them though

--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)


"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11125q0hfq1hc1a@corp.supernews.com...
> "Intergate" <roadrnnr99@REMOVE.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:111184tpm85s249@corp.supernews.com...
>
> although your message was in response to twaldrons post, ill assume
> it was directed to me and respond.
>
>
>> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the lots
>> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built with
>> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>
> all the rubicons on the local lots here in billings montana had the
> grey tops with grey fenders. they also all had dual tops and manual
> transmissions. by ordering it im getting the exact jeep i want with
> nothing i dont. seeing "built especially for nathan w. collier" on
> the window sticker is a bonus. :-)
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

Tracy Brooks

Nice visual...... brought back memories of watching the Rat Patrol when I
was a kid.

-Tracy
'85 CJ7

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:psdQd.10200$D34.4983@newssvr12.news.prodigy.c om...
> AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.
>
> Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
>> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
>> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i
>> couldnt even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with
>> the standard console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Tracy Brooks

Nice visual...... brought back memories of watching the Rat Patrol when I
was a kid.

-Tracy
'85 CJ7

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:psdQd.10200$D34.4983@newssvr12.news.prodigy.c om...
> AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.
>
> Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
>> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
>> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i
>> couldnt even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with
>> the standard console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Tracy Brooks

Nice visual...... brought back memories of watching the Rat Patrol when I
was a kid.

-Tracy
'85 CJ7

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:psdQd.10200$D34.4983@newssvr12.news.prodigy.c om...
> AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.
>
> Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
>> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
>> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i
>> couldnt even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with
>> the standard console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Derrick Hudson

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:28:47 -0700, Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
> news:hdn7e2-s6u.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
>> Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
>> the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue.
>
> heh.....he was trying to sell you what he had in stock.

No, he didn't have any blue in stock. He had to trade with a dealer
~100 miles away to get mine (111 miles on the odometer when I got it).
He told me the computer showed only two like mine in the whole area

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=from%2...irport%2C%20ny

I looked at what he had in stock, but didn't really like the colors of
most of them (there were only 5 anyways) and half of them had
automatic transmissions (I like driving a stick-shift).

> i dont think you
> can even get the grey anymore unless its a leftover.

That could be. I picked up mine in mid-December, it was manufactured
in October (IIRC).

>> The grey
>> actually looks rather nice with the blue.
>
> i just couldnt take to it....just couldnt stomach the grey. my dealer told
> me that if i bought stock that he would pay to have the top/fenders
> rhino-lined black but that wouldnt work to well on the soft top. :-)

If I disliked the grey that much I would order instead of coating over
it :-). I have seen a Blue+Khaki (w/ Khaki interior) outside the
office building. That is not a good combination, IMO.

>> At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter
>> :-).
>
> i got dual tops with my '03 rubicon
> http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html and regretted it. the
> hard top was nice to have when i wanted it, but those times arent often
> enough to justify another $1800.

$1400 :-).

I understand, though. I'll find out over the next couple years just
how valuable the hard-top is. I seem to see more soft-top jeeps, some
with half-doors, than hard-top jeeps around here.

What kind of doors are on that Rubicon? I like the looks of
half-doors when the top is down, but I'm not sure if/when I'll put up
the money for some. I was thinking some light-weight black canvas
doors would be good. I don't want the steel ones since I would only
use them for fair-weather joyriding.

>>> and manual transmissions.
>>
>> Who buys anything else? ;-)
>
> rock crawlers. :-)
>
>
>> Is it possible to order a Sport with the
>> lower-grade stereo, I wonder?
>
> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon.

Yeah, anything higher than the X has the 7-speaker system, and the X
doesn't come with fog lights or tow hooks.

> ill probably pull it
> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
> even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
> console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)

1911? ar15? What are those?

-D

--
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to
all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he
asks he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave
of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
James 1:5-6

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Derrick Hudson

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:28:47 -0700, Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
> news:hdn7e2-s6u.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
>> Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
>> the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue.
>
> heh.....he was trying to sell you what he had in stock.

No, he didn't have any blue in stock. He had to trade with a dealer
~100 miles away to get mine (111 miles on the odometer when I got it).
He told me the computer showed only two like mine in the whole area

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=from%2...irport%2C%20ny

I looked at what he had in stock, but didn't really like the colors of
most of them (there were only 5 anyways) and half of them had
automatic transmissions (I like driving a stick-shift).

> i dont think you
> can even get the grey anymore unless its a leftover.

That could be. I picked up mine in mid-December, it was manufactured
in October (IIRC).

>> The grey
>> actually looks rather nice with the blue.
>
> i just couldnt take to it....just couldnt stomach the grey. my dealer told
> me that if i bought stock that he would pay to have the top/fenders
> rhino-lined black but that wouldnt work to well on the soft top. :-)

If I disliked the grey that much I would order instead of coating over
it :-). I have seen a Blue+Khaki (w/ Khaki interior) outside the
office building. That is not a good combination, IMO.

>> At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter
>> :-).
>
> i got dual tops with my '03 rubicon
> http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html and regretted it. the
> hard top was nice to have when i wanted it, but those times arent often
> enough to justify another $1800.

$1400 :-).

I understand, though. I'll find out over the next couple years just
how valuable the hard-top is. I seem to see more soft-top jeeps, some
with half-doors, than hard-top jeeps around here.

What kind of doors are on that Rubicon? I like the looks of
half-doors when the top is down, but I'm not sure if/when I'll put up
the money for some. I was thinking some light-weight black canvas
doors would be good. I don't want the steel ones since I would only
use them for fair-weather joyriding.

>>> and manual transmissions.
>>
>> Who buys anything else? ;-)
>
> rock crawlers. :-)
>
>
>> Is it possible to order a Sport with the
>> lower-grade stereo, I wonder?
>
> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon.

Yeah, anything higher than the X has the 7-speaker system, and the X
doesn't come with fog lights or tow hooks.

> ill probably pull it
> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
> even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
> console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)

1911? ar15? What are those?

-D

--
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to
all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he
asks he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave
of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
James 1:5-6

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