Tom Greening

"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:28 GMT, IsellJeeps wrote:
> > very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade" from
> > somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which on a
> > wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
> What is "holdback"?
>

It's money that the dealer gets from the manufacturer in order to offset the
dealers financing costs (interest) on the vehicle. Usually somewhere around
2-3%.

Tom Greening

"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:28 GMT, IsellJeeps wrote:
> > very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade" from
> > somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which on a
> > wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
> What is "holdback"?
>

It's money that the dealer gets from the manufacturer in order to offset the
dealers financing costs (interest) on the vehicle. Usually somewhere around
2-3%.

Tom Greening

"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:28 GMT, IsellJeeps wrote:
> > very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade" from
> > somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which on a
> > wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
> What is "holdback"?
>

It's money that the dealer gets from the manufacturer in order to offset the
dealers financing costs (interest) on the vehicle. Usually somewhere around
2-3%.

Nathan W. Collier

"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
> the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue.

heh.....he was trying to sell you what he had in stock. i dont think you
can even get the grey anymore unless its a leftover.


> The grey
> actually looks rather nice with the blue.

i just couldnt take to it....just couldnt stomach the grey. my dealer told
me that if i bought stock that he would pay to have the top/fenders
rhino-lined black but that wouldnt work to well on the soft top. :-)


> At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter
> :-).

i got dual tops with my '03 rubicon
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html and regretted it. the
hard top was nice to have when i wanted it, but those times arent often
enough to justify another $1800.


>> and manual transmissions.
>
> Who buys anything else? ;-)

rock crawlers. :-)


> Is it possible to order a Sport with the
> lower-grade stereo, I wonder?

i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Nathan W. Collier

"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
> the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue.

heh.....he was trying to sell you what he had in stock. i dont think you
can even get the grey anymore unless its a leftover.


> The grey
> actually looks rather nice with the blue.

i just couldnt take to it....just couldnt stomach the grey. my dealer told
me that if i bought stock that he would pay to have the top/fenders
rhino-lined black but that wouldnt work to well on the soft top. :-)


> At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter
> :-).

i got dual tops with my '03 rubicon
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html and regretted it. the
hard top was nice to have when i wanted it, but those times arent often
enough to justify another $1800.


>> and manual transmissions.
>
> Who buys anything else? ;-)

rock crawlers. :-)


> Is it possible to order a Sport with the
> lower-grade stereo, I wonder?

i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

Nathan W. Collier

"Derrick Hudson" <dman@dman13.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:hdn7e2-s6u.ln1@dman13.dyndns.org...
> Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
> the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue.

heh.....he was trying to sell you what he had in stock. i dont think you
can even get the grey anymore unless its a leftover.


> The grey
> actually looks rather nice with the blue.

i just couldnt take to it....just couldnt stomach the grey. my dealer told
me that if i bought stock that he would pay to have the top/fenders
rhino-lined black but that wouldnt work to well on the soft top. :-)


> At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter
> :-).

i got dual tops with my '03 rubicon
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html and regretted it. the
hard top was nice to have when i wanted it, but those times arent often
enough to justify another $1800.


>> and manual transmissions.
>
> Who buys anything else? ;-)

rock crawlers. :-)


> Is it possible to order a Sport with the
> lower-grade stereo, I wonder?

i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

twaldron

AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
> even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
> console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
> even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
> console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
> even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
> console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Intergate

HHmm I got my 2004 Columbia Edition Wrangler, sticker $22850, in a
dealer swap for $18000 and 0% interest.

I don't think they lost the hold back.
--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)


"IsellJeeps" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade"
> from
> somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which
> on a
> wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:mL7Qd.11074$Tt.2421@fed1read05...
>> Something that few people realize is that a dealer will ALWAYS be
>> more
>> willing to wheel and deal on a vehicle that is already on his lot
>> than
>> one that is ordered. Definitely. And that means that if you
>> negotiate,
>> you can usually get a better "enough" price on that vehicle on the
>> lot,
>> enough so that those extra options you don't want can be "free" if
>> compared to what the ordered vehicle will end up costing.
>>
>> A dealer will always prefer selling something he is already paying
>> for
>> that is taking up space on the lot and will, once again, always
>> give a
>> better deal on that than one he has to order and wait for. This is
>> also
>> true for one he can do a dealer trade or dealer locate since both
>> dealers want to unload that vehicle already on the lot.
>> Definitely.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> twaldron wrote:
>> > This is Nathan's purchase, but I'm going to give my opinion
>> > anyway...
>> > I order because there is generally always extra options on the
>> > lot
>> > vehicle or they don't have something I wanted. Also, you have an
>> > added
>> > cost in 'locating' a vehicle and transporting it to the selling
>> > dealer.
>> > I buy around invoice or below so those charges are just plain
>> > annoying
>> > to me. Besides, sometimes the window sticker has my name on it!
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Intergate wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the
>> >> lots
>> >> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built
>> >> with
>> >> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>