In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
05-30-2005, 05:04 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
Well it depends on how much you want to pay. I can't see that getting
anywhere close to the Ferrari Enzo. Probably similar to the 575.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> You may buy a new Ford GT 40 that beat the pants off ferrari:
>
http://www.autointell.com/nao_compan...d-gt-40-02.htm
> Or just take a ride in the new one:
> http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/m...=CURRENT_VIDEO
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
anywhere close to the Ferrari Enzo. Probably similar to the 575.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> You may buy a new Ford GT 40 that beat the pants off ferrari:
>
http://www.autointell.com/nao_compan...d-gt-40-02.htm
> Or just take a ride in the new one:
> http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/m...=CURRENT_VIDEO
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
05-30-2005, 10:15 AM
#62
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
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> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
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05-30-2005, 10:15 AM
#63
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:15 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:15 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
Not in America. Performance is what your car can do from a stoplight. We
don't have an Autobahn here. How many people in this country even watch
IMSA or Formula 1 racing?
We're talking about apples and oranges, of course - a Chevelle is not
aerodynamic enough or have the proper gearing to do high speed runs, and it
definitely doesn't have the handling and breaking. And, the Ferraris simply
didn't make enough torque and low-end horsepower to accelerate from a dead
stop very well. My original point was that Ferrari simply wasn't all that
powerful of a vehicle back then, as many American cars made more power, and
they had horrible quality and reliability. Sure, they used expensive parts,
but their build quality was kit car level. The point I originally made was
that because we, Americans, fell in love with them for some reason, our
money has helped them pump into R&D and vastly improve them. I made the
point across the board to all those European and Japanese cars. OUR money,
has made those companies what they are.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
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> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
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> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
Ferrari got scared and didn't race again for a few years in an effort to
save themselves of the embarrassment.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:18 AM
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
> And the new GT is a joke-no fuel cell, no AN fittings, cast bolt-on
> wheels, and an interior like a Focus. However, since most of their
> market didn't even know what a GT-40 was, or associate 'Le Mans' with
> anything but a Pontiac, it's looking like the joke is on them.
Gee...Every car magazine so far has picked the GT over the 360. I haven't
seen a comparison of the F430 against the GT.
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> And the new GT is a joke-no fuel cell, no AN fittings, cast bolt-on
> wheels, and an interior like a Focus. However, since most of their
> market didn't even know what a GT-40 was, or associate 'Le Mans' with
> anything but a Pontiac, it's looking like the joke is on them.
Gee...Every car magazine so far has picked the GT over the 360. I haven't
seen a comparison of the F430 against the GT.
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