In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
BTW, I don't believe Enzo actually said he loved Jeeps, but that the Jeep
was America's only true sports car because it was the only vehicle we
produced that was truly purpose built.
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was America's only true sports car because it was the only vehicle we
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
BTW, I don't believe Enzo actually said he loved Jeeps, but that the Jeep
was America's only true sports car because it was the only vehicle we
produced that was truly purpose built.
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was America's only true sports car because it was the only vehicle we
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
BTW, I don't believe Enzo actually said he loved Jeeps, but that the Jeep
was America's only true sports car because it was the only vehicle we
produced that was truly purpose built.
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was America's only true sports car because it was the only vehicle we
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
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Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
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Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
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Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
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Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
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Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>
> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
> Get over it...
>
> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>
> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
> that was a lot.
>
> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>
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>
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
In message <42994A59.50357F28@***.net>, "L.W." wrote:
> Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
>http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
Close, but wrong link Bill. :)
The Boss 429 was a pushrod motor. They did make a 427 cubic inch SOHC motor
though
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Ruel Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
>> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
>> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
>> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
>> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
>> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
>> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
>> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
>> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
>> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
>> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
>> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
>> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>>
>> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
>> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
>> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
>> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
>> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
>> Get over it...
>>
>> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
>> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>>
>> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
>> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
>> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
>> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
>> that was a lot.
>>
>> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
>> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Registered Linux user #378193
> Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
>http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
Close, but wrong link Bill. :)
The Boss 429 was a pushrod motor. They did make a 427 cubic inch SOHC motor
though
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Ruel Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
>> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
>> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
>> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
>> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
>> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
>> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
>> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
>> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
>> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
>> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
>> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
>> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>>
>> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
>> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
>> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
>> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
>> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
>> Get over it...
>>
>> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
>> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>>
>> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
>> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
>> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
>> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
>> that was a lot.
>>
>> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
>> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Registered Linux user #378193
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
In message <42994A59.50357F28@***.net>, "L.W." wrote:
> Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
>http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
Close, but wrong link Bill. :)
The Boss 429 was a pushrod motor. They did make a 427 cubic inch SOHC motor
though
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Ruel Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
>> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
>> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
>> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
>> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
>> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
>> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
>> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
>> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
>> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
>> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
>> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
>> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>>
>> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
>> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
>> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
>> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
>> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
>> Get over it...
>>
>> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
>> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>>
>> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
>> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
>> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
>> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
>> that was a lot.
>>
>> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
>> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Registered Linux user #378193
> Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
>http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
Close, but wrong link Bill. :)
The Boss 429 was a pushrod motor. They did make a 427 cubic inch SOHC motor
though
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Ruel Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
>> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
>> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
>> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
>> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
>> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
>> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
>> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
>> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
>> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
>> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
>> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
>> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>>
>> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
>> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
>> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
>> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
>> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
>> Get over it...
>>
>> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
>> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>>
>> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
>> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
>> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
>> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
>> that was a lot.
>>
>> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
>> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Registered Linux user #378193
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Re: In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps
In message <42994A59.50357F28@***.net>, "L.W." wrote:
> Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
>http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
Close, but wrong link Bill. :)
The Boss 429 was a pushrod motor. They did make a 427 cubic inch SOHC motor
though
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Ruel Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
>> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
>> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
>> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
>> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
>> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
>> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
>> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
>> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
>> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
>> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
>> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
>> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>>
>> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
>> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
>> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
>> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
>> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
>> Get over it...
>>
>> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
>> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>>
>> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
>> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
>> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
>> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
>> that was a lot.
>>
>> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
>> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Registered Linux user #378193
> Ford, too were using the overhead cams in '69 Mustang:
>http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/time...rBoss429-2.jpg
Close, but wrong link Bill. :)
The Boss 429 was a pushrod motor. They did make a 427 cubic inch SOHC motor
though
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Ruel Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'll point out again, the 308 GTB had a 0 to 60 time of 9 seconds. That is
>> not only slow, but god awfully slow. Ferraris may have made some power at
>> 1500 rpm, but it wasn't earth shattering in any way. You have to rev a
>> Ferrari to get any power out of it. How good is that unless you have a lot
>> of road to open it up? Again, a run of the mill Chevelle SS 396 would give
>> just about any Ferrari a run for its money from any stoplight, was actually
>> affordable, and could haul 4 or more people _comfortably_ home from a night
>> at the drags. Only the most expensive, and rarest Ferraris were fast back
>> then, and unless your last name was Getty or Rockefeller, you couldn't
>> afford it. Ferraris of that era had manual steering, poor reliability, and
>> kit car build quality. Some models were very handsome, but you definitely
>> didn't want to try and make one a daily driver. Ferraris simply were, and
>> for the most part still are, shall we say...delicate.
>>
>> I'm not even going to get into the ignorant crap about the Ford GT and
>> Corvette. Again, anyone can make a car that's extremely capable for 200
>> grand. The trick is to do it at an affordable price. Automobile recently
>> voted the C2 Corvette as the coolest car ever built. Motor Trend recently
>> claimed the small block Chevrolet engine as the greatest engine ever built.
>> Get over it...
>>
>> I have news for you...DOHC technology dates back to 1913 in the Peugeot.
>> It's not as modern of a design as you think.
>>
>> The 550 was not only a glorified Volkswagen, but an unsafe one at that... I
>> thought you said you wanted engines that were special? The 908 and 917 were
>> race cars, the Merc W196 and 300SLR were too. The 300SL had a whopping 215
>> HP. In 1954, when America wasn't building cars with any kind of power yet,
>> that was a lot.
>>
>> Let's talk about real performace: 1967 Corvette L-89, 1967-69 Corvette L-88,
>> 1969 Corvette ZL-1,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Registered Linux user #378193