death wobble!!
#21
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Re: death wobble!!
We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Cal,
> We know we it is physically impossible to transfer the tire bounce
> into a shimmy with have a bad, dampener shock absorber in-between. Of
> course, once it's bad it doesn't take long knock out the weaker parts.
> If you're running larger tires, it stands to reason to use larger
> shocks, and dampeners:
> http://www.wanderingtrail.com/Buildu..._stabilzer.htm or
> http://www.bds-suspension.com/steeringstabilizer.html If you hear any
> air in the dampener, it's history.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Cal wrote:
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
>>after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
>>steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
>>linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
>>stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I replaced
>>the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
>>jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
>>balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
>>
>>thanks,
>>cal
steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Cal,
> We know we it is physically impossible to transfer the tire bounce
> into a shimmy with have a bad, dampener shock absorber in-between. Of
> course, once it's bad it doesn't take long knock out the weaker parts.
> If you're running larger tires, it stands to reason to use larger
> shocks, and dampeners:
> http://www.wanderingtrail.com/Buildu..._stabilzer.htm or
> http://www.bds-suspension.com/steeringstabilizer.html If you hear any
> air in the dampener, it's history.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Cal wrote:
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
>>after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
>>steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
>>linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
>>stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I replaced
>>the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
>>jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
>>balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
>>
>>thanks,
>>cal
#22
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Re: death wobble!!
And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
#23
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Re: death wobble!!
And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
#24
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Re: death wobble!!
And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
#25
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Re: death wobble!!
And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
RoyJ wrote:
>
> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?
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Re: death wobble!!
http://www.----------.com/temp/tireShimmy.mpg
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
#27
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Re: death wobble!!
http://www.----------.com/temp/tireShimmy.mpg
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
#28
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Re: death wobble!!
http://www.----------.com/temp/tireShimmy.mpg
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
#29
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Re: death wobble!!
http://www.----------.com/temp/tireShimmy.mpg
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
#30
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Re: death wobble!!
i see it all the time and a new one from jeep is weak at best
fricking cheap germans dropped the big one for a cheap smaller diameter one
that isn't worth a ---- rancho is a good one
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> Hi Cal,
> We know we it is physically impossible to transfer the tire bounce
> into a shimmy with have a bad, dampener shock absorber in-between. Of
> course, once it's bad it doesn't take long knock out the weaker parts.
> If you're running larger tires, it stands to reason to use larger
> shocks, and dampeners:
> http://www.wanderingtrail.com/Buildu..._stabilzer.htm or
> http://www.bds-suspension.com/steeringstabilizer.html If you hear any
> air in the dampener, it's history.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Cal wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
> > after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
> > steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
> > linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
> > stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I replaced
> > the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
> > jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
> > balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
> >
> > thanks,
> > cal
fricking cheap germans dropped the big one for a cheap smaller diameter one
that isn't worth a ---- rancho is a good one
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> Hi Cal,
> We know we it is physically impossible to transfer the tire bounce
> into a shimmy with have a bad, dampener shock absorber in-between. Of
> course, once it's bad it doesn't take long knock out the weaker parts.
> If you're running larger tires, it stands to reason to use larger
> shocks, and dampeners:
> http://www.wanderingtrail.com/Buildu..._stabilzer.htm or
> http://www.bds-suspension.com/steeringstabilizer.html If you hear any
> air in the dampener, it's history.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Cal wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
> > after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
> > steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
> > linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
> > stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I replaced
> > the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
> > jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
> > balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
> >
> > thanks,
> > cal