I think the 740 is a V8 isn't it, Bill ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D32DB9.200AC8C@***.net...
> Jerry's glutton for punishment:
> http://www.----------.com/jerrybmw.jpg Keeping San Diego's Car Country
> going to the tune of about a grand a month, since '91.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Don't ever mention BMW's here or Bill will have to post a link about
> > his brothers 12-cylinder 740i lemon again!

 

I think the 740 is a V8 isn't it, Bill ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D32DB9.200AC8C@***.net...
> Jerry's glutton for punishment:
> http://www.----------.com/jerrybmw.jpg Keeping San Diego's Car Country
> going to the tune of about a grand a month, since '91.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Don't ever mention BMW's here or Bill will have to post a link about
> > his brothers 12-cylinder 740i lemon again!

 

I think the 740 is a V8 isn't it, Bill ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42D32DB9.200AC8C@***.net...
> Jerry's glutton for punishment:
> http://www.----------.com/jerrybmw.jpg Keeping San Diego's Car Country
> going to the tune of about a grand a month, since '91.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> matthewf_boi@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Don't ever mention BMW's here or Bill will have to post a link about
> > his brothers 12-cylinder 740i lemon again!

 

My CJ7 had the death wobble when I bought it. It would not drive 65
mph. Just everything worn out.

So I changed 'every' front end part 'except' the steering stabilizer.
Haven't had any issues since. Don't know how old the stabilizer is, my
CJ has 170K miles on it....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> My '62, '72. '78 all came stock with dampeners, anything with a
> straight axle did. And I've never had a death wobble, I've always used
> better tires than that. If you would have wanted to replace yours, you
> could have at: http://www.----------.com/temp/jeffsTruck.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > We once owned a '65 Ford pick up truck, it did not have a steering
> > stabalizer. I suspect the steering stabalizer has very little to do with
> > death wobble.

 

My CJ7 had the death wobble when I bought it. It would not drive 65
mph. Just everything worn out.

So I changed 'every' front end part 'except' the steering stabilizer.
Haven't had any issues since. Don't know how old the stabilizer is, my
CJ has 170K miles on it....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> My '62, '72. '78 all came stock with dampeners, anything with a
> straight axle did. And I've never had a death wobble, I've always used
> better tires than that. If you would have wanted to replace yours, you
> could have at: http://www.----------.com/temp/jeffsTruck.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > We once owned a '65 Ford pick up truck, it did not have a steering
> > stabalizer. I suspect the steering stabalizer has very little to do with
> > death wobble.

 

My CJ7 had the death wobble when I bought it. It would not drive 65
mph. Just everything worn out.

So I changed 'every' front end part 'except' the steering stabilizer.
Haven't had any issues since. Don't know how old the stabilizer is, my
CJ has 170K miles on it....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> My '62, '72. '78 all came stock with dampeners, anything with a
> straight axle did. And I've never had a death wobble, I've always used
> better tires than that. If you would have wanted to replace yours, you
> could have at: http://www.----------.com/temp/jeffsTruck.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > We once owned a '65 Ford pick up truck, it did not have a steering
> > stabalizer. I suspect the steering stabalizer has very little to do with
> > death wobble.

 

My CJ7 had the death wobble when I bought it. It would not drive 65
mph. Just everything worn out.

So I changed 'every' front end part 'except' the steering stabilizer.
Haven't had any issues since. Don't know how old the stabilizer is, my
CJ has 170K miles on it....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> My '62, '72. '78 all came stock with dampeners, anything with a
> straight axle did. And I've never had a death wobble, I've always used
> better tires than that. If you would have wanted to replace yours, you
> could have at: http://www.----------.com/temp/jeffsTruck.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > We once owned a '65 Ford pick up truck, it did not have a steering
> > stabalizer. I suspect the steering stabalizer has very little to do with
> > death wobble.

 

I think what everybody is saying and is what we already know.... there are
many things that cause death wobble.... but for a solution you should
start with the cheapest things 1st the most common that we have found is
tires being out of round or balance. 2nd would be you steering stabilizer
from 4 wheel parts is about the 35-45 dollar bracket. If you start
rebuilding you entire front end you are looking at a lot more money. being
that you have a TJ unless ;you have upwards of 150,000 miles or a lot of
hard core use off road .... Try the simple things first...

Larry





"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:z8adndAM0ZoDTk_fRVn-vg@ez2.net...
> The most common malady that causes death wobble is incorrect caster angle.
> Caster angle is an imaginary line that goes through the center of the
> upper
> and lower ball joints, and the spindle that the tire actually revolves
> around. This angle should be tilted a few degrees toward the rear for
> stability. This helps hold the tires in a straight ahead attitude. If the
> caster angle is not steep enough, then the tires can set up an oscilation
> that you feel as Death Wobble.
>
> A test for caster angle is to turn the steering wheel full lock, and let
> go
> of it, then as you press the gas pedal to start going, the steering wheel
> should come to center by itself, if it makes no effor to come to center,
> then your Caster Angle is not correct. When you make a U-turn in the
> street,
> you should simply give a flick to the steering wheel and let if slide in
> your hands to straight ahead, if you have to physically crank the wheel
> around to get to straight ahead, then you have issues with caster.
>
> I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU SHOULD LET THE STEERING WHEEL FLY AROUND
> BETWEEN YOUR FINGERS AS A NORMAL COURSE OF DRIVING, I AM SUGGESTING THAT
> THIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A MALFUNCTION. IF YOU ARE GOING TO LET
> THE
> STEERING WHEEL GO, MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT WHERE YOU WILL STRIKE ANY OTHER
> OBJECTS OR PERSONS STANDING BY.
>
>
>
> "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:x2cAe.142630$XQ.2761260@twister.southeast.rr. com...
>> Hi!
>>
>> It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
>> after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
>> steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
>> linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
>> stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I
>> replaced
>> the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
>> jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
>> balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
>>
>> thanks,
>> cal
>>
>>
>
>

 

I think what everybody is saying and is what we already know.... there are
many things that cause death wobble.... but for a solution you should
start with the cheapest things 1st the most common that we have found is
tires being out of round or balance. 2nd would be you steering stabilizer
from 4 wheel parts is about the 35-45 dollar bracket. If you start
rebuilding you entire front end you are looking at a lot more money. being
that you have a TJ unless ;you have upwards of 150,000 miles or a lot of
hard core use off road .... Try the simple things first...

Larry





"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:z8adndAM0ZoDTk_fRVn-vg@ez2.net...
> The most common malady that causes death wobble is incorrect caster angle.
> Caster angle is an imaginary line that goes through the center of the
> upper
> and lower ball joints, and the spindle that the tire actually revolves
> around. This angle should be tilted a few degrees toward the rear for
> stability. This helps hold the tires in a straight ahead attitude. If the
> caster angle is not steep enough, then the tires can set up an oscilation
> that you feel as Death Wobble.
>
> A test for caster angle is to turn the steering wheel full lock, and let
> go
> of it, then as you press the gas pedal to start going, the steering wheel
> should come to center by itself, if it makes no effor to come to center,
> then your Caster Angle is not correct. When you make a U-turn in the
> street,
> you should simply give a flick to the steering wheel and let if slide in
> your hands to straight ahead, if you have to physically crank the wheel
> around to get to straight ahead, then you have issues with caster.
>
> I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU SHOULD LET THE STEERING WHEEL FLY AROUND
> BETWEEN YOUR FINGERS AS A NORMAL COURSE OF DRIVING, I AM SUGGESTING THAT
> THIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A MALFUNCTION. IF YOU ARE GOING TO LET
> THE
> STEERING WHEEL GO, MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT WHERE YOU WILL STRIKE ANY OTHER
> OBJECTS OR PERSONS STANDING BY.
>
>
>
> "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:x2cAe.142630$XQ.2761260@twister.southeast.rr. com...
>> Hi!
>>
>> It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
>> after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
>> steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
>> linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
>> stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I
>> replaced
>> the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
>> jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
>> balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
>>
>> thanks,
>> cal
>>
>>
>
>

 

I think what everybody is saying and is what we already know.... there are
many things that cause death wobble.... but for a solution you should
start with the cheapest things 1st the most common that we have found is
tires being out of round or balance. 2nd would be you steering stabilizer
from 4 wheel parts is about the 35-45 dollar bracket. If you start
rebuilding you entire front end you are looking at a lot more money. being
that you have a TJ unless ;you have upwards of 150,000 miles or a lot of
hard core use off road .... Try the simple things first...

Larry





"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:z8adndAM0ZoDTk_fRVn-vg@ez2.net...
> The most common malady that causes death wobble is incorrect caster angle.
> Caster angle is an imaginary line that goes through the center of the
> upper
> and lower ball joints, and the spindle that the tire actually revolves
> around. This angle should be tilted a few degrees toward the rear for
> stability. This helps hold the tires in a straight ahead attitude. If the
> caster angle is not steep enough, then the tires can set up an oscilation
> that you feel as Death Wobble.
>
> A test for caster angle is to turn the steering wheel full lock, and let
> go
> of it, then as you press the gas pedal to start going, the steering wheel
> should come to center by itself, if it makes no effor to come to center,
> then your Caster Angle is not correct. When you make a U-turn in the
> street,
> you should simply give a flick to the steering wheel and let if slide in
> your hands to straight ahead, if you have to physically crank the wheel
> around to get to straight ahead, then you have issues with caster.
>
> I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU SHOULD LET THE STEERING WHEEL FLY AROUND
> BETWEEN YOUR FINGERS AS A NORMAL COURSE OF DRIVING, I AM SUGGESTING THAT
> THIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A MALFUNCTION. IF YOU ARE GOING TO LET
> THE
> STEERING WHEEL GO, MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT WHERE YOU WILL STRIKE ANY OTHER
> OBJECTS OR PERSONS STANDING BY.
>
>
>
> "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:x2cAe.142630$XQ.2761260@twister.southeast.rr. com...
>> Hi!
>>
>> It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
>> after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
>> steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
>> linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
>> stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I
>> replaced
>> the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
>> jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
>> balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
>>
>> thanks,
>> cal
>>
>>
>
>