Dana44 for XJ
04-05-2005, 03:40 PM
#41
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
Correct, yes?
Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Geez, I been cutting axles since I was a kid:
> http://www.----------.com/dragster.jpg My Jeep runs a nine inch
> axles: http://www.----------.com/9axle.jpg Don't you have any tubed
> muscle cars running around your town? God Bless America, ßill
> O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Steve wrote:
>
>> I've never heard of shafts being cut, rolled, or tempered for
>> directional strength. Many rear ends have equal length on both
>> sides. Those have one part number for both the right and left axle
>> shafts.
>>
>> Steve http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> "Bertie Kemp" wrote:
>
>> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft
>> is not weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque
>> in its opposite direction? My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the
>> back).
that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
Correct, yes?
Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Geez, I been cutting axles since I was a kid:
> http://www.----------.com/dragster.jpg My Jeep runs a nine inch
> axles: http://www.----------.com/9axle.jpg Don't you have any tubed
> muscle cars running around your town? God Bless America, ßill
> O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Steve wrote:
>
>> I've never heard of shafts being cut, rolled, or tempered for
>> directional strength. Many rear ends have equal length on both
>> sides. Those have one part number for both the right and left axle
>> shafts.
>>
>> Steve http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> "Bertie Kemp" wrote:
>
>> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft
>> is not weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque
>> in its opposite direction? My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the
>> back).
04-05-2005, 03:40 PM
#42
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
At 3" lift you might risk punching the stock slip yoke home on the tcase
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
04-05-2005, 03:40 PM
#43
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
At 3" lift you might risk punching the stock slip yoke home on the tcase
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
04-05-2005, 03:40 PM
#44
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
At 3" lift you might risk punching the stock slip yoke home on the tcase
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
04-05-2005, 03:40 PM
#45
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
At 3" lift you might risk punching the stock slip yoke home on the tcase
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
tail shaft when you switch to a D44. With my swapped-in D44, 4.5" lift,
longer rear spring shackles, and stock rear shaft, the slip yoke stops
just short of hitting home in the tcase when the distance to the pinion
is at the minimum. Be sure to test/calculate the excess slip space
through your full range of rear suspension travel.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
"Bertie Kemp" wrote:
> Thanks, you confirm my suspicions (hopes). So a right-hand shaft is not
> weaker when fitted to the left-hand side and asked to torque in its
> opposite direction?
> My Jeep is lifted (about 3" in the back).
>
> Bertie.
>
> ============
> Steve wrote:
>
>> Note that the D44 pinion is 1" longer than the D35. If you are lifted,
>> this is great, otherwise you may need a shortened drive shaft.
04-05-2005, 04:54 PM
#46
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
Hi Steve,
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
04-05-2005, 04:54 PM
#47
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
Hi Steve,
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
04-05-2005, 04:54 PM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: Dana44 for XJ
Hi Steve,
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
04-05-2005, 04:54 PM
#49
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Posts: n/a
Re: Dana44 for XJ
Hi Steve,
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Dragmaster, Oceanside, California re-splined them in 1959.
Talking about switching axle sides, which I don't have a problem
with, reminds me we used to paint a line down them, and they would make
up to six twists before they let go on this '27 T we had switched from a
successful D/Altered flathead to a Hemi in 1958:
http://www.----------.com/27T.mpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Steve wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't mean cutting existing axles. I was trying to tell the OP
> that shafts are not manufactured (cut/rolled splines, forged,
> induction/thru hardened, whatever) for maximum torsional strength in one
> rotational direction at the expense of the other. That is, if he puts
> two RH shafts in his custom D44 housing, the one on the left will be
> just as strong as the right when pulling in the forward direction.
> Correct, yes?
>
> Nice dragster. Did you do your own re-splining?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
04-05-2005, 08:55 PM
#50
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Re: Dana44 for XJ
replace it with a ford 8.8 which also has disk brakes.
cheap and stronger than a 44.
almost a bolt in fix.
old john
<Bertie Kemp> wrote in message news:OoOdnZixpt7dF8zfRVn-rg@is.co.za...
> Hello,
>
> I have a 2000 model XJ with a D35c rear axle (ratio 3.73). I plan to
replace
> the axle with a D44 but there are limited options available here in South
> Africa (no real XJ D44s, no Scouts or Explorers, etc.). Older Jeeps are
> scarce but recent models of ZJs, KJs and TJs are more plentiful and should
not
> be difficult to find parts for. Therefor I would like to base the D44 on
TJ
> parts but have a few questions:
> 1 - Is there a difference in width between the rear axle of an XJ and a
TJ?
> (If I use TJ shafts in whatever D44 pumpkin and customised tubes I build,
will
> that fit underneath my XJ? I have no room to go narrower.)
> 2 - Can I build the axle using two right-hand shafts?
> (I see that the left-hand shaft of a TJ D44 (29-1/4) is slightly shorter
than
> the right-hand shaft (29-11/16). (Why?) Or are these shafts treated to
be
> stronger in their designed rotational direction? This could gain me 1/2
inch
> total width and I would only need to carry one spare shaft.)
>
> Comments will be appreciated.
>
> Bertie.
cheap and stronger than a 44.
almost a bolt in fix.
old john
<Bertie Kemp> wrote in message news:OoOdnZixpt7dF8zfRVn-rg@is.co.za...
> Hello,
>
> I have a 2000 model XJ with a D35c rear axle (ratio 3.73). I plan to
replace
> the axle with a D44 but there are limited options available here in South
> Africa (no real XJ D44s, no Scouts or Explorers, etc.). Older Jeeps are
> scarce but recent models of ZJs, KJs and TJs are more plentiful and should
not
> be difficult to find parts for. Therefor I would like to base the D44 on
TJ
> parts but have a few questions:
> 1 - Is there a difference in width between the rear axle of an XJ and a
TJ?
> (If I use TJ shafts in whatever D44 pumpkin and customised tubes I build,
will
> that fit underneath my XJ? I have no room to go narrower.)
> 2 - Can I build the axle using two right-hand shafts?
> (I see that the left-hand shaft of a TJ D44 (29-1/4) is slightly shorter
than
> the right-hand shaft (29-11/16). (Why?) Or are these shafts treated to
be
> stronger in their designed rotational direction? This could gain me 1/2
inch
> total width and I would only need to carry one spare shaft.)
>
> Comments will be appreciated.
>
> Bertie.
