Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<woT0c.435341$I06.4924623@attbi_s01>...
> After blowing out/destroying one of my Kelly Safari AWR tires on a chunk of
> limestone in the Pryor Mountains last August, I bought a set of Goodyear
> Wrangler MTR's for my '98 XJ. The Goodyears are far superior to the Kellys.
> I'm subjecting my Jeep and its tires to conditions far worse than "unpaved
> road/highway". So far no problems whatsoever. The Goodyear MTR's are the
> best tires I've ever had on the Jeep. Lots of road noise but that's easily
> cured by the volume **** on the stereo.
>
> Goodyear Wrangler MTR are standard on the TJ Rubicon. Highly recommended.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
in the USA much longer.
Matt
> After blowing out/destroying one of my Kelly Safari AWR tires on a chunk of
> limestone in the Pryor Mountains last August, I bought a set of Goodyear
> Wrangler MTR's for my '98 XJ. The Goodyears are far superior to the Kellys.
> I'm subjecting my Jeep and its tires to conditions far worse than "unpaved
> road/highway". So far no problems whatsoever. The Goodyear MTR's are the
> best tires I've ever had on the Jeep. Lots of road noise but that's easily
> cured by the volume **** on the stereo.
>
> Goodyear Wrangler MTR are standard on the TJ Rubicon. Highly recommended.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
in the USA much longer.
Matt
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<woT0c.435341$I06.4924623@attbi_s01>...
> After blowing out/destroying one of my Kelly Safari AWR tires on a chunk of
> limestone in the Pryor Mountains last August, I bought a set of Goodyear
> Wrangler MTR's for my '98 XJ. The Goodyears are far superior to the Kellys.
> I'm subjecting my Jeep and its tires to conditions far worse than "unpaved
> road/highway". So far no problems whatsoever. The Goodyear MTR's are the
> best tires I've ever had on the Jeep. Lots of road noise but that's easily
> cured by the volume **** on the stereo.
>
> Goodyear Wrangler MTR are standard on the TJ Rubicon. Highly recommended.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
in the USA much longer.
Matt
> After blowing out/destroying one of my Kelly Safari AWR tires on a chunk of
> limestone in the Pryor Mountains last August, I bought a set of Goodyear
> Wrangler MTR's for my '98 XJ. The Goodyears are far superior to the Kellys.
> I'm subjecting my Jeep and its tires to conditions far worse than "unpaved
> road/highway". So far no problems whatsoever. The Goodyear MTR's are the
> best tires I've ever had on the Jeep. Lots of road noise but that's easily
> cured by the volume **** on the stereo.
>
> Goodyear Wrangler MTR are standard on the TJ Rubicon. Highly recommended.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
in the USA much longer.
Matt
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:<woT0c.435341$I06.4924623@attbi_s01>...
> After blowing out/destroying one of my Kelly Safari AWR tires on a chunk of
> limestone in the Pryor Mountains last August, I bought a set of Goodyear
> Wrangler MTR's for my '98 XJ. The Goodyears are far superior to the Kellys.
> I'm subjecting my Jeep and its tires to conditions far worse than "unpaved
> road/highway". So far no problems whatsoever. The Goodyear MTR's are the
> best tires I've ever had on the Jeep. Lots of road noise but that's easily
> cured by the volume **** on the stereo.
>
> Goodyear Wrangler MTR are standard on the TJ Rubicon. Highly recommended.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
in the USA much longer.
Matt
> After blowing out/destroying one of my Kelly Safari AWR tires on a chunk of
> limestone in the Pryor Mountains last August, I bought a set of Goodyear
> Wrangler MTR's for my '98 XJ. The Goodyears are far superior to the Kellys.
> I'm subjecting my Jeep and its tires to conditions far worse than "unpaved
> road/highway". So far no problems whatsoever. The Goodyear MTR's are the
> best tires I've ever had on the Jeep. Lots of road noise but that's easily
> cured by the volume **** on the stereo.
>
> Goodyear Wrangler MTR are standard on the TJ Rubicon. Highly recommended.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
in the USA much longer.
Matt
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed as
> original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the possible
> exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad experience with
> Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the way you do, but their
> better tires are as good as anybody's and better than most.
>
I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
so quickly.
Thanks,
Matt
> original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the possible
> exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad experience with
> Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the way you do, but their
> better tires are as good as anybody's and better than most.
>
I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
so quickly.
Thanks,
Matt
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed as
> original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the possible
> exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad experience with
> Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the way you do, but their
> better tires are as good as anybody's and better than most.
>
I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
so quickly.
Thanks,
Matt
> original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the possible
> exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad experience with
> Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the way you do, but their
> better tires are as good as anybody's and better than most.
>
I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
so quickly.
Thanks,
Matt
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed as
> original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the possible
> exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad experience with
> Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the way you do, but their
> better tires are as good as anybody's and better than most.
>
I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
so quickly.
Thanks,
Matt
> original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the possible
> exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad experience with
> Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the way you do, but their
> better tires are as good as anybody's and better than most.
>
I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
so quickly.
Thanks,
Matt
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <3a3f4978.0403021329.2459464d@posting.google.com > Matt wrote:
> I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
> opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
> never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
> Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
> too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
> in the USA much longer.
They don't treat their dealers so well, either. Their attitude towards
the small independents has surely changed since my dad started the shop
in the early 80s. Glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
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> I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
> opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
> never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
> Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
> too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
> in the USA much longer.
They don't treat their dealers so well, either. Their attitude towards
the small independents has surely changed since my dad started the shop
in the early 80s. Glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <3a3f4978.0403021329.2459464d@posting.google.com > Matt wrote:
> I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
> opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
> never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
> Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
> too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
> in the USA much longer.
They don't treat their dealers so well, either. Their attitude towards
the small independents has surely changed since my dad started the shop
in the early 80s. Glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
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> I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
> opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
> never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
> Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
> too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
> in the USA much longer.
They don't treat their dealers so well, either. Their attitude towards
the small independents has surely changed since my dad started the shop
in the early 80s. Glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <3a3f4978.0403021329.2459464d@posting.google.com > Matt wrote:
> I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
> opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
> never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
> Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
> too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
> in the USA much longer.
They don't treat their dealers so well, either. Their attitude towards
the small independents has surely changed since my dad started the shop
in the early 80s. Glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
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> I've lately beaten the hell out of the Kellys and stand by my Goodyear
> opinion :) I did a ton of off-roading in 3 different clubs and would
> never trade them, especially to spend 3 times as much on the
> Goodyears. My uncle is a chemist at the Akron, OH Goodyear plant
> too...they don't treat their employees so well. Expect not to see them
> in the USA much longer.
They don't treat their dealers so well, either. Their attitude towards
the small independents has surely changed since my dad started the shop
in the early 80s. Glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <3a3f4978.0403021607.3f8fdbc6@posting.google.com > Matt wrote:
>> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed
>> as original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
>> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the
>> possible exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad
>> experience with Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the
>> way you do, but their better tires are as good as anybody's and
>> better than most.
>
> I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
> ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
> so quickly.
Like I said, I don't blame you a bit. They got greedy and lowered their
standards of quality in order to enter the lucrative OEM market, and
alienating potential repeat customers like you is the result of that.
To be honest I was surprised that the Wrangler MT/R turned out to be as
good as it did, since their usual pattern is to drop their most
successful products and replace them with something that isn't as good (
like the Wrangler AT that became the AT/S) but costs more. The MT/R is
better than the old Wrangler MT in every way with the possible exception
that it doesn't come pinned for studs. And that last complaint is
mostly a matter of convenience for the dealer. The original MT was only
an average off road tire, but it was an outstanding winter/snow tire for
those willing to pay the price.
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>> Goodyear makes some damn tough tires but none of them are installed
>> as original equipment by the automakers. The crap they make for new
>> vehicles isn't any better than anyone else's OEM crap, with the
>> possible exception of the firestone lines. You've had a bad
>> experience with Goodyear and nobody can blame you for feeling the
>> way you do, but their better tires are as good as anybody's and
>> better than most.
>
> I didn't mean to shoot my mouth off about them...I bet their high-end
> ones are good. It was just really frustrating to have so many problems
> so quickly.
Like I said, I don't blame you a bit. They got greedy and lowered their
standards of quality in order to enter the lucrative OEM market, and
alienating potential repeat customers like you is the result of that.
To be honest I was surprised that the Wrangler MT/R turned out to be as
good as it did, since their usual pattern is to drop their most
successful products and replace them with something that isn't as good (
like the Wrangler AT that became the AT/S) but costs more. The MT/R is
better than the old Wrangler MT in every way with the possible exception
that it doesn't come pinned for studs. And that last complaint is
mostly a matter of convenience for the dealer. The original MT was only
an average off road tire, but it was an outstanding winter/snow tire for
those willing to pay the price.
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