Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
02-29-2004, 10:46 PM
#11
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
>I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:
1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.
2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.
3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:
1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.
2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.
3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
02-29-2004, 10:46 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
>I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:
1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.
2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.
3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:
1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.
2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.
3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
02-29-2004, 10:46 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
>I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:
1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.
2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.
3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
>air pressure Ford specified.
>
My understanding of the problem is that:
1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
most SUVs.
2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
adverse situations, ie a blowout.
3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
02-29-2004, 11:03 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
02-29-2004, 11:03 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
02-29-2004, 11:03 PM
#16
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
Firestone.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Osborn wrote:
>
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
02-29-2004, 11:08 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
True, the Explorer is on the Ranger frame, with the same axle width
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
02-29-2004, 11:08 PM
#18
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
True, the Explorer is on the Ranger frame, with the same axle width
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
02-29-2004, 11:08 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
True, the Explorer is on the Ranger frame, with the same axle width
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
as a TJ. They have since widen it using independent axles.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Monte Castleman wrote:
>
> My understanding of the problem is that:
>
> 1.) Ford built the Explorer on the Ranger frame, which really wasn't designed
> to handle that kind of weight, thus making the Explorer more top-heavy than
> most SUVs.
>
> 2. Ford tried to market it as a car by
> A) Specifying low air pressure to try to make it ride smoother
> B) Promoting it to people that had no clue how to handle a truck properly in
> adverse situations, ie a blowout.
>
> 3. Some / Most / All of the Firestone tires had real problems.
>
> So you have a fire and gasoline type situation. Ultimately one of the reasons
> I bought a Jeep Cherokee instead of an Exploder is the taint that brand now
> has on it. The first thing I did was check to see if there was an open recall
> still on the tires, but I wasn't that lucky.
>
> --
> Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
02-29-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Ford was simply suggesting an appropriate air-down pressure for moderate
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@***.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@***.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.