Re: converting from private to commercial
 

Well you have several suggestions for blanking the windows. Now all you
need is a worker to separate you from your cash. Good luck.

Earle

"nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
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> I don't need a bone fide commercial use for the vehicle. I just need to
> have the side rear windows permanently blanked, and the rear seats
removed.
> I'm unconcerned with the "look at me" factor. I had a litre handmade
sports
> car, and got rid of that because every time I returned to the car, there'd
> be a crowd round it.
>
> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a
> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. When I moved to
> Ireland in 1998, I was the only one around with a Jeep - I mean a proper
> Jeep, and there were very few WAD vehicles. Now, with everyone having
loads
> of cash, big vehicles are a status symbol. However, the Saab convertible
is
> the one that turns heads here now..... :-)
>
> Nichollette
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:_o-dnT1Hy6_0YEHYnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Both vehicles look much like the small commercial vehicles that I saw in
> > Spain, that are a sort of mini-pickup with a bed topper that is actually
a
> > part of the body, or something like the old panel trucks that you used
to
> > see around here, only smaller.
> >
> > I would be surprised if Nichollette got her "commercial use" permit
> > without
> > having a bona fide commercial use for the vehicle, but I suppose it is
> > worth
> > a try. One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can
> > afford a Jeep" factor, which is ruined when the windows are covered with
> > sheet metal and the rear seats taken out. They are a lot more impressed
> > with Jeeps than we are over here.
> >
> > Earle
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:IW5Dh.1266$5F5.511@trnddc02...
> >> In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV.
> >>
> >> Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but
trucks
> >> often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor
> >> vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a
> > Liberty
> >> over here -- which makes your position even worse).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
> >> news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous
> >> > slug
> >> > of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut
> >> > dramatically
> >> > if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve
> >> > replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking
panels,
> > and
> >> > removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If
now,
> > how
> >> > easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know...
> > The
> >> > local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any
> > assistance...
> >> > anyone know anything about this?
> >> >
> >> > Tks
> >> >
> >> > Nichollette
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

Fuel is about twice the price you pay, I reckon. Then there's import duty
on the car in the first place, whether it's used or new. Insurance is also
high.
Nothing's cheap in Ireland. But I like the people!!

Nich


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> 1400E works out to about $1840US. Ouch. Are there other taxes assocated
> with motor vehicles in Ireland as well, or is that pretty much the whole
> tax bite? In the US there are local property taxes levied as well as
> taxes on motor fuels, but I don't think that I pay as much in combined
> taxes on my `96 Cherokee, even at 20K miles a year.
>
> Does this apply to you?
> http://www.buncrana.ie/Article_Listi...tor+Tax+Online
> Keyword search: Circular MT 10/2005
>
> * All seats and seat belts to the rear of the driver must be removed and
> the bolt holes welded over. This would mean you'll likely want to
> fabricate a platform to fill in the space over the rear seat footwells.
>
> * It is not necessary to insist that vehicle owners blacken out windows or
> to remove windows & replace with other materials.
>
> In the US "black out windows" can be accomplished with paint. If you need
> to remove the glass and replace it with metal an autobody shop should be
> able to do do that, but I'd guess that the cost is going to be roughly
> what you're paying in road use tax now.
>
> I looked for what USAns would call a "panel truck conversion" kit for a
> Cherokee but found nothing. Oddly enough, what you want to do is the
> reverse of what some truck owners in the US do. They install windows in
> the sides of their panel trucks to allow them to drive on certain roads
> with commercial vehicle restrictions.
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, nichollette wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug
>> of
>> cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if
>> I
>> had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing
>> the
>> two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the
>> rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it
>> to
>> do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep
>> dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone
>> know
>> anything about this?
>>
>> Tks
>>
>> Nichollette
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

Fuel is about twice the price you pay, I reckon. Then there's import duty
on the car in the first place, whether it's used or new. Insurance is also
high.
Nothing's cheap in Ireland. But I like the people!!

Nich


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702221211070.21821@panix3.pani x.com...
>
> 1400E works out to about $1840US. Ouch. Are there other taxes assocated
> with motor vehicles in Ireland as well, or is that pretty much the whole
> tax bite? In the US there are local property taxes levied as well as
> taxes on motor fuels, but I don't think that I pay as much in combined
> taxes on my `96 Cherokee, even at 20K miles a year.
>
> Does this apply to you?
> http://www.buncrana.ie/Article_Listi...tor+Tax+Online
> Keyword search: Circular MT 10/2005
>
> * All seats and seat belts to the rear of the driver must be removed and
> the bolt holes welded over. This would mean you'll likely want to
> fabricate a platform to fill in the space over the rear seat footwells.
>
> * It is not necessary to insist that vehicle owners blacken out windows or
> to remove windows & replace with other materials.
>
> In the US "black out windows" can be accomplished with paint. If you need
> to remove the glass and replace it with metal an autobody shop should be
> able to do do that, but I'd guess that the cost is going to be roughly
> what you're paying in road use tax now.
>
> I looked for what USAns would call a "panel truck conversion" kit for a
> Cherokee but found nothing. Oddly enough, what you want to do is the
> reverse of what some truck owners in the US do. They install windows in
> the sides of their panel trucks to allow them to drive on certain roads
> with commercial vehicle restrictions.
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, nichollette wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug
>> of
>> cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if
>> I
>> had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing
>> the
>> two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the
>> rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it
>> to
>> do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep
>> dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone
>> know
>> anything about this?
>>
>> Tks
>>
>> Nichollette
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

Fuel is about twice the price you pay, I reckon. Then there's import duty
on the car in the first place, whether it's used or new. Insurance is also
high.
Nothing's cheap in Ireland. But I like the people!!

Nich


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702221211070.21821@panix3.pani x.com...
>
> 1400E works out to about $1840US. Ouch. Are there other taxes assocated
> with motor vehicles in Ireland as well, or is that pretty much the whole
> tax bite? In the US there are local property taxes levied as well as
> taxes on motor fuels, but I don't think that I pay as much in combined
> taxes on my `96 Cherokee, even at 20K miles a year.
>
> Does this apply to you?
> http://www.buncrana.ie/Article_Listi...tor+Tax+Online
> Keyword search: Circular MT 10/2005
>
> * All seats and seat belts to the rear of the driver must be removed and
> the bolt holes welded over. This would mean you'll likely want to
> fabricate a platform to fill in the space over the rear seat footwells.
>
> * It is not necessary to insist that vehicle owners blacken out windows or
> to remove windows & replace with other materials.
>
> In the US "black out windows" can be accomplished with paint. If you need
> to remove the glass and replace it with metal an autobody shop should be
> able to do do that, but I'd guess that the cost is going to be roughly
> what you're paying in road use tax now.
>
> I looked for what USAns would call a "panel truck conversion" kit for a
> Cherokee but found nothing. Oddly enough, what you want to do is the
> reverse of what some truck owners in the US do. They install windows in
> the sides of their panel trucks to allow them to drive on certain roads
> with commercial vehicle restrictions.
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, nichollette wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug
>> of
>> cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if
>> I
>> had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing
>> the
>> two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the
>> rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it
>> to
>> do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep
>> dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone
>> know
>> anything about this?
>>
>> Tks
>>
>> Nichollette
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
> that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
> Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

more like "Look at me, I couldn't afford a Range Rover".
All a bit Porsche Boxter-like - you know you really wanted the Carrerra but
couldn't do it.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
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One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can
> afford a Jeep" factor,

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

more like "Look at me, I couldn't afford a Range Rover".
All a bit Porsche Boxter-like - you know you really wanted the Carrerra but
couldn't do it.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:_o-dnT1Hy6_0YEHYnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com...
One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can
> afford a Jeep" factor,

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

more like "Look at me, I couldn't afford a Range Rover".
All a bit Porsche Boxter-like - you know you really wanted the Carrerra but
couldn't do it.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
news:_o-dnT1Hy6_0YEHYnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com...
One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can
> afford a Jeep" factor,

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

The XJ was, I think, but a bit passé now. Which is great news as they are
cheap !

Dave Milne, Scotland

"nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
news:erknlp$uhr$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a
> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now.

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

The XJ was, I think, but a bit passé now. Which is great news as they are
cheap !

Dave Milne, Scotland

"nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
news:erknlp$uhr$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a
> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now.

Re: converting from private to commercial
 

The XJ was, I think, but a bit passé now. Which is great news as they are
cheap !

Dave Milne, Scotland

"nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
news:erknlp$uhr$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a
> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now.