converting from private to commercial
Hi,
I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know anything about this? Tks Nichollette -- |
Re: converting from private to commercial
On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > > > Earle > > You're Joking right? |
Re: converting from private to commercial
On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > > > Earle > > You're Joking right? |
Re: converting from private to commercial
On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > > > Earle > > You're Joking right? |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Can you please tell us what 'you' consider a 'Cherokee'?
We have this Jeep called a Liberty in North America which is your Cherokee I think? Meanwhile if it is an XJ or 'Cherokee' like I know it, then the rear seat is a fold and tumble one that makes a flat cargo space for the entire back. I suppose if you wanted it permanent, all you would have to do is remove the bottom seat half that folds forward so the back can tumble forward to make the floor. As far as blanking out the rear windows, paint comes to mind or that stick on mylar sheeting stuff. If the glass must go, I would use some hardwood paneling cut to fit and painted to match the vehicle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) nichollette wrote: > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know > anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Can you please tell us what 'you' consider a 'Cherokee'?
We have this Jeep called a Liberty in North America which is your Cherokee I think? Meanwhile if it is an XJ or 'Cherokee' like I know it, then the rear seat is a fold and tumble one that makes a flat cargo space for the entire back. I suppose if you wanted it permanent, all you would have to do is remove the bottom seat half that folds forward so the back can tumble forward to make the floor. As far as blanking out the rear windows, paint comes to mind or that stick on mylar sheeting stuff. If the glass must go, I would use some hardwood paneling cut to fit and painted to match the vehicle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) nichollette wrote: > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know > anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Can you please tell us what 'you' consider a 'Cherokee'?
We have this Jeep called a Liberty in North America which is your Cherokee I think? Meanwhile if it is an XJ or 'Cherokee' like I know it, then the rear seat is a fold and tumble one that makes a flat cargo space for the entire back. I suppose if you wanted it permanent, all you would have to do is remove the bottom seat half that folds forward so the back can tumble forward to make the floor. As far as blanking out the rear windows, paint comes to mind or that stick on mylar sheeting stuff. If the glass must go, I would use some hardwood paneling cut to fit and painted to match the vehicle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) nichollette wrote: > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know > anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this.
I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. For shame. Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. Earle "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know > anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > > -- > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this.
I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. For shame. Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. Earle "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know > anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > > -- > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this.
I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. For shame. Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. Earle "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know > anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > > -- > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > > this. > > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > > For shame. > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > You're Joking right? > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. Earle |
Re: converting from private to commercial
<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > > this. > > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > > For shame. > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > You're Joking right? > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. Earle |
Re: converting from private to commercial
<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > > this. > > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > > For shame. > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > You're Joking right? > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. Earle |
Re: converting from private to commercial
The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater
Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. ....though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image in my head. |
Re: converting from private to commercial
The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater
Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. ....though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image in my head. |
Re: converting from private to commercial
The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater
Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. ....though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image in my head. |
Re: converting from private to commercial
I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely.
It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life >> > style. >> > For shame. >> > >> >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > >> >> You're Joking right? >> > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > Earle > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely.
It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life >> > style. >> > For shame. >> > >> >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > >> >> You're Joking right? >> > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > Earle > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely.
It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life >> > style. >> > For shame. >> > >> >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > >> >> You're Joking right? >> > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > Earle > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Nichollette,
You should be able to get BLACK window tint. It is applied to the interior of the window and you cannot see through it. As far as screwing plywood or some other unsuitable material on it sounds pretty awful and would look like crap. Please, specify year and model of your Jeep or maybe post a link to a picture. There is some confusion about if it's what we call a Cherokee or a Liberty in the US and our northern neighbors in Canada. When you say that the windows have been "blanked out" do you mean that they are not transparent,, or do you mean that they have been removed completely and the holes filled with another panel? Another thing you might consider is going to a vinyl sign company and having them make full custom window decals for you that would go along with the commercial theme. They would not be transparent and you could put your business name on it. That might assure their acceptance of your commercial intent. Something along these lines: http://www.fleetsidegraphics.com/fle..._window.php?12 Kate 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhtss$qpm$1@reader01.news.esat.net... I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life >> > style. >> > For shame. >> > >> >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > >> >> You're Joking right? >> > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > Earle > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Nichollette,
You should be able to get BLACK window tint. It is applied to the interior of the window and you cannot see through it. As far as screwing plywood or some other unsuitable material on it sounds pretty awful and would look like crap. Please, specify year and model of your Jeep or maybe post a link to a picture. There is some confusion about if it's what we call a Cherokee or a Liberty in the US and our northern neighbors in Canada. When you say that the windows have been "blanked out" do you mean that they are not transparent,, or do you mean that they have been removed completely and the holes filled with another panel? Another thing you might consider is going to a vinyl sign company and having them make full custom window decals for you that would go along with the commercial theme. They would not be transparent and you could put your business name on it. That might assure their acceptance of your commercial intent. Something along these lines: http://www.fleetsidegraphics.com/fle..._window.php?12 Kate 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhtss$qpm$1@reader01.news.esat.net... I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life >> > style. >> > For shame. >> > >> >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > >> >> You're Joking right? >> > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > Earle > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Nichollette,
You should be able to get BLACK window tint. It is applied to the interior of the window and you cannot see through it. As far as screwing plywood or some other unsuitable material on it sounds pretty awful and would look like crap. Please, specify year and model of your Jeep or maybe post a link to a picture. There is some confusion about if it's what we call a Cherokee or a Liberty in the US and our northern neighbors in Canada. When you say that the windows have been "blanked out" do you mean that they are not transparent,, or do you mean that they have been removed completely and the holes filled with another panel? Another thing you might consider is going to a vinyl sign company and having them make full custom window decals for you that would go along with the commercial theme. They would not be transparent and you could put your business name on it. That might assure their acceptance of your commercial intent. Something along these lines: http://www.fleetsidegraphics.com/fle..._window.php?12 Kate 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhtss$qpm$1@reader01.news.esat.net... I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life >> > style. >> > For shame. >> > >> >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > >> >> You're Joking right? >> > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > Earle > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Somebody is making the windows, but whether in a factory or not is anybody's
guess, as is how you get them. In the U.S. delivery vans, camper conversions etc. are made in smallish factories that no one really knows about unless you work there or are in the habit of buying this type of vehicle. Sometimes they advertise in speciality magazines. Next time you see one of the vehicles, ask the owner if you can take a look at the windows, to see what they are made out of. Glass can be painted, or it could be metal, plastic, plywood or any of a number of materials. If you elect to paint the glass, it has to be cleaned properly before hand, or the paint will fall off. Professional painters have access to materials that will do this properly. There is a house painter in my village (it really is a village) that is a wizard at painting anything. I think his secret is that he reads directions. If you find plywood or paneling that is the same thickness as the original glass, you just remove the glass, or have it removed by a mechanic, and install a piece of paneling cut to the proper size in its place, in the original rubber frame. Appearance depends on the material that you use, which is why I suggest sheet steel glued to the outside of the panel, before it is installed. That will take paint really well, and it is possible to get a "factory finish" if that is what you want. Earle "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhtss$qpm$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. > It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and > surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over > Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they > mainly say.. "bought it like that..." > > So - conversion kit, maybe? > > The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. > > Tks again.. > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > >> > this. > >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life > >> > style. > >> > For shame. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Earle > >> > > >> > > >> > >> You're Joking right? > >> > > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > > > Earle > > > > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Somebody is making the windows, but whether in a factory or not is anybody's
guess, as is how you get them. In the U.S. delivery vans, camper conversions etc. are made in smallish factories that no one really knows about unless you work there or are in the habit of buying this type of vehicle. Sometimes they advertise in speciality magazines. Next time you see one of the vehicles, ask the owner if you can take a look at the windows, to see what they are made out of. Glass can be painted, or it could be metal, plastic, plywood or any of a number of materials. If you elect to paint the glass, it has to be cleaned properly before hand, or the paint will fall off. Professional painters have access to materials that will do this properly. There is a house painter in my village (it really is a village) that is a wizard at painting anything. I think his secret is that he reads directions. If you find plywood or paneling that is the same thickness as the original glass, you just remove the glass, or have it removed by a mechanic, and install a piece of paneling cut to the proper size in its place, in the original rubber frame. Appearance depends on the material that you use, which is why I suggest sheet steel glued to the outside of the panel, before it is installed. That will take paint really well, and it is possible to get a "factory finish" if that is what you want. Earle "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhtss$qpm$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. > It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and > surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over > Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they > mainly say.. "bought it like that..." > > So - conversion kit, maybe? > > The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. > > Tks again.. > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > >> > this. > >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life > >> > style. > >> > For shame. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Earle > >> > > >> > > >> > >> You're Joking right? > >> > > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > > > Earle > > > > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Somebody is making the windows, but whether in a factory or not is anybody's
guess, as is how you get them. In the U.S. delivery vans, camper conversions etc. are made in smallish factories that no one really knows about unless you work there or are in the habit of buying this type of vehicle. Sometimes they advertise in speciality magazines. Next time you see one of the vehicles, ask the owner if you can take a look at the windows, to see what they are made out of. Glass can be painted, or it could be metal, plastic, plywood or any of a number of materials. If you elect to paint the glass, it has to be cleaned properly before hand, or the paint will fall off. Professional painters have access to materials that will do this properly. There is a house painter in my village (it really is a village) that is a wizard at painting anything. I think his secret is that he reads directions. If you find plywood or paneling that is the same thickness as the original glass, you just remove the glass, or have it removed by a mechanic, and install a piece of paneling cut to the proper size in its place, in the original rubber frame. Appearance depends on the material that you use, which is why I suggest sheet steel glued to the outside of the panel, before it is installed. That will take paint really well, and it is possible to get a "factory finish" if that is what you want. Earle "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhtss$qpm$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. > It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and > surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over > Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they > mainly say.. "bought it like that..." > > So - conversion kit, maybe? > > The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. > > Tks again.. > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:JKKdnX8S3slJ8kHYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >> On Feb 21, 11:02 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > >> > this. > >> > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > >> > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > >> > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life > >> > style. > >> > For shame. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Earle > >> > > >> > > >> > >> You're Joking right? > >> > > If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. > > > > Earle > > > > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but
you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces available. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:2LydnUOAOaqw90HYnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > > Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood > panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be > glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a > way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes > paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it > is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. > > Earle > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > > Hi, > > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > of > > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing > the > > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it > to > > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone > know > > anything about this? > > > > Tks > > > > Nichollette > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: converting from private to commercial
LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but
you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces available. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:2LydnUOAOaqw90HYnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > > Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood > panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be > glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a > way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes > paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it > is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. > > Earle > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > > Hi, > > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > of > > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing > the > > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it > to > > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone > know > > anything about this? > > > > Tks > > > > Nichollette > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: converting from private to commercial
LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but
you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces available. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:2LydnUOAOaqw90HYnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > > Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood > panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be > glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a > way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes > paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it > is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. > > Earle > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > > Hi, > > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > of > > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I > > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing > the > > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the > > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it > to > > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone > know > > anything about this? > > > > Tks > > > > Nichollette > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: converting from private to commercial
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God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172077163.980693.110490@l53g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater > Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. > ...though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image > in my head. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: converting from private to commercial
http://www.texasescapes.com/Signs/Fa...dStore1938.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172077163.980693.110490@l53g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater > Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. > ...though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image > in my head. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: converting from private to commercial
http://www.texasescapes.com/Signs/Fa...dStore1938.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172077163.980693.110490@l53g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater > Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. > ...though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image > in my head. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: converting from private to commercial
She's being penalized for driving a "luxury" vehicle. Or a gas hog
polluter. I saw like two pickups the whole time I was in Europe, but one time I saw a Ford Excursion. There are lots of options available for the windows, depending on locally available materials and skilled labor. I have seen aluminum plate that is about the same thickness as window glass. The black tint idea is a good one too, if the local inspectors will accept it. They may see the glass and say no. Earle "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45dcc2e9$0$16300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but > you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces > available. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:2LydnUOAOaqw90HYnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > > For shame. > > > > Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood > > panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be > > glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a > > way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and > takes > > paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it > > is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. > > > > Earle > > > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > > > Hi, > > > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > > of > > > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if > I > > > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing > > the > > > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing > the > > > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it > > to > > > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > > > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone > > know > > > anything about this? > > > > > > Tks > > > > > > Nichollette > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
She's being penalized for driving a "luxury" vehicle. Or a gas hog
polluter. I saw like two pickups the whole time I was in Europe, but one time I saw a Ford Excursion. There are lots of options available for the windows, depending on locally available materials and skilled labor. I have seen aluminum plate that is about the same thickness as window glass. The black tint idea is a good one too, if the local inspectors will accept it. They may see the glass and say no. Earle "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45dcc2e9$0$16300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but > you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces > available. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:2LydnUOAOaqw90HYnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > > For shame. > > > > Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood > > panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be > > glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a > > way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and > takes > > paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it > > is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. > > > > Earle > > > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > > > Hi, > > > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > > of > > > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if > I > > > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing > > the > > > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing > the > > > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it > > to > > > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > > > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone > > know > > > anything about this? > > > > > > Tks > > > > > > Nichollette > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
She's being penalized for driving a "luxury" vehicle. Or a gas hog
polluter. I saw like two pickups the whole time I was in Europe, but one time I saw a Ford Excursion. There are lots of options available for the windows, depending on locally available materials and skilled labor. I have seen aluminum plate that is about the same thickness as window glass. The black tint idea is a good one too, if the local inspectors will accept it. They may see the glass and say no. Earle "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45dcc2e9$0$16300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but > you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces > available. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > news:2LydnUOAOaqw90HYnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > > For shame. > > > > Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood > > panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be > > glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a > > way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and > takes > > paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it > > is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. > > > > Earle > > > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > > > Hi, > > > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > > of > > > cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if > I > > > had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing > > the > > > two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing > the > > > rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it > > to > > > do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep > > > dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone > > know > > > anything about this? > > > > > > Tks > > > > > > Nichollette > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV.
Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically > if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve > replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and > removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how > easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The > local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... > anyone know anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > > -- > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV.
Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically > if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve > replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and > removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how > easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The > local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... > anyone know anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > > -- > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV.
Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug > of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically > if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve > replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and > removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how > easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The > local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... > anyone know anything about this? > > Tks > > Nichollette > > -- > > > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Nicholette has a '95 XJ.
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:IW5Dh.1266$5F5.511@trnddc02... > In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. > > Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks > often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor > vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a > Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). > > > > > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... >> Hi, >> I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug >> of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically >> if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve >> replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, >> and removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If >> now, how easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't >> know... The local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any >> assistance... anyone know anything about this? >> >> Tks >> >> Nichollette >> >> -- >> >> >> > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Nicholette has a '95 XJ.
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:IW5Dh.1266$5F5.511@trnddc02... > In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. > > Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks > often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor > vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a > Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). > > > > > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... >> Hi, >> I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug >> of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically >> if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve >> replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, >> and removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If >> now, how easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't >> know... The local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any >> assistance... anyone know anything about this? >> >> Tks >> >> Nichollette >> >> -- >> >> >> > |
Re: converting from private to commercial
Nicholette has a '95 XJ.
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message news:IW5Dh.1266$5F5.511@trnddc02... > In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. > > Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks > often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor > vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a > Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). > > > > > > "nichollette" <stokesy@esatclear.ie> wrote in message > news:erhp1j$ouh$1@reader01.news.esat.net... >> Hi, >> I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug >> of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically >> if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve >> replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, >> and removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If >> now, how easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't >> know... The local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any >> assistance... anyone know anything about this? >> >> Tks >> >> Nichollette >> >> -- >> >> >> > |
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