Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:45195B26.D4CC53C7@sympatico.ca:

> At least it is more or less on topic unlike most of the --------
> posted here these days.

What, you got something against spiders? Frogs? Navy Ships? I suppose
you thing we should talk about Jeeps?

As for the Commander, I haven't even looked at one yet and probably
won't even bother, my 1993 GC Ltd. will probably do me forever, but I
have seen a fair number running around the streets of Phoenix so I
think it's selling fairly well for whatever that's worth.

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:45195B26.D4CC53C7@sympatico.ca:

> At least it is more or less on topic unlike most of the --------
> posted here these days.

What, you got something against spiders? Frogs? Navy Ships? I suppose
you thing we should talk about Jeeps?

As for the Commander, I haven't even looked at one yet and probably
won't even bother, my 1993 GC Ltd. will probably do me forever, but I
have seen a fair number running around the streets of Phoenix so I
think it's selling fairly well for whatever that's worth.

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

So I was at the dealer today. Saw the compass, ick. But at least it's
"less ugly" than the Dodge Caliber it's based upon. Sat in Commander and
hated it. The thing's just "wrong" all around.

> > it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
> > ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
> > handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
> > shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.

I agree with you on the door handle and the brake. No way to drive it
without them jabbing you, definitely a deal-killer.

But it's worse than just the seating. Visibility sucks all around. The 3rd
row seats are a joke. They waste a good 8" of vertical space when folded
down. And they're not even removable! The Liberty actually has better leg
room in the rear (not 3rd) seats. And talk about too much plastic, the
commander is loaded with junk that's SURE to break.

If, and it's a big IF, they made the Commander without the craptacular
interior, more like a Liberty let's say, it might be possible to overlook
the visibility issues. Strip it down, get rid of the stupid looking allen
head bolts and it'd probably have a CHANCE of selling. I hated it when it
first came out and even 0% interest doesn't change that.

> > Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.

I just can't grow to like the Explorer. I think it's mainly due to being a
Ford truck with all the crappy trim and controls they all have.

The Liberty's not bad, but a bit too much of an 'econobox' in the way of
interior styling. The 3.6L V6 seems to carry it along pretty well.

I drove a JGC with the 5.7 Hemi and, yeeeeeowch, is that thing QUICK! I
could surely see speeding tickets in my future if I bought one. The thing
accelerates like it's got electric motors; it's that smooth. Give it the
gas and it just builds speed, hard and fast. Not the usual grabbing roar
you'd usually equate with a V8. It just sweeps right up the speedo, damned
fast!

So I brought home a Grand Cherokee Limited for a demo. It's got the 4.7 V8
engine and 4wd. Nice ride. It could use a little more rear leg room, the
Liberty still beats it. But overall it's a pretty decent vehicle, wife
seems to like it too. What's the typical decent price for one lately?

Anyone have the GJC with the 3.7 V6?

-Bill Kearney

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

So I was at the dealer today. Saw the compass, ick. But at least it's
"less ugly" than the Dodge Caliber it's based upon. Sat in Commander and
hated it. The thing's just "wrong" all around.

> > it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
> > ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
> > handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
> > shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.

I agree with you on the door handle and the brake. No way to drive it
without them jabbing you, definitely a deal-killer.

But it's worse than just the seating. Visibility sucks all around. The 3rd
row seats are a joke. They waste a good 8" of vertical space when folded
down. And they're not even removable! The Liberty actually has better leg
room in the rear (not 3rd) seats. And talk about too much plastic, the
commander is loaded with junk that's SURE to break.

If, and it's a big IF, they made the Commander without the craptacular
interior, more like a Liberty let's say, it might be possible to overlook
the visibility issues. Strip it down, get rid of the stupid looking allen
head bolts and it'd probably have a CHANCE of selling. I hated it when it
first came out and even 0% interest doesn't change that.

> > Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.

I just can't grow to like the Explorer. I think it's mainly due to being a
Ford truck with all the crappy trim and controls they all have.

The Liberty's not bad, but a bit too much of an 'econobox' in the way of
interior styling. The 3.6L V6 seems to carry it along pretty well.

I drove a JGC with the 5.7 Hemi and, yeeeeeowch, is that thing QUICK! I
could surely see speeding tickets in my future if I bought one. The thing
accelerates like it's got electric motors; it's that smooth. Give it the
gas and it just builds speed, hard and fast. Not the usual grabbing roar
you'd usually equate with a V8. It just sweeps right up the speedo, damned
fast!

So I brought home a Grand Cherokee Limited for a demo. It's got the 4.7 V8
engine and 4wd. Nice ride. It could use a little more rear leg room, the
Liberty still beats it. But overall it's a pretty decent vehicle, wife
seems to like it too. What's the typical decent price for one lately?

Anyone have the GJC with the 3.7 V6?

-Bill Kearney

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

So I was at the dealer today. Saw the compass, ick. But at least it's
"less ugly" than the Dodge Caliber it's based upon. Sat in Commander and
hated it. The thing's just "wrong" all around.

> > it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
> > ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
> > handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
> > shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.

I agree with you on the door handle and the brake. No way to drive it
without them jabbing you, definitely a deal-killer.

But it's worse than just the seating. Visibility sucks all around. The 3rd
row seats are a joke. They waste a good 8" of vertical space when folded
down. And they're not even removable! The Liberty actually has better leg
room in the rear (not 3rd) seats. And talk about too much plastic, the
commander is loaded with junk that's SURE to break.

If, and it's a big IF, they made the Commander without the craptacular
interior, more like a Liberty let's say, it might be possible to overlook
the visibility issues. Strip it down, get rid of the stupid looking allen
head bolts and it'd probably have a CHANCE of selling. I hated it when it
first came out and even 0% interest doesn't change that.

> > Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.

I just can't grow to like the Explorer. I think it's mainly due to being a
Ford truck with all the crappy trim and controls they all have.

The Liberty's not bad, but a bit too much of an 'econobox' in the way of
interior styling. The 3.6L V6 seems to carry it along pretty well.

I drove a JGC with the 5.7 Hemi and, yeeeeeowch, is that thing QUICK! I
could surely see speeding tickets in my future if I bought one. The thing
accelerates like it's got electric motors; it's that smooth. Give it the
gas and it just builds speed, hard and fast. Not the usual grabbing roar
you'd usually equate with a V8. It just sweeps right up the speedo, damned
fast!

So I brought home a Grand Cherokee Limited for a demo. It's got the 4.7 V8
engine and 4wd. Nice ride. It could use a little more rear leg room, the
Liberty still beats it. But overall it's a pretty decent vehicle, wife
seems to like it too. What's the typical decent price for one lately?

Anyone have the GJC with the 3.7 V6?

-Bill Kearney

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

I actually don't have one ...I didn't test the download before posting the
link - sorry. A google search should yield a different link that works.

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:18634$451875ed$422afc51$14705@FUSE.NET...
> The link takes a password, can you e-mail it?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

I actually don't have one ...I didn't test the download before posting the
link - sorry. A google search should yield a different link that works.

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:18634$451875ed$422afc51$14705@FUSE.NET...
> The link takes a password, can you e-mail it?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

I actually don't have one ...I didn't test the download before posting the
link - sorry. A google search should yield a different link that works.

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:18634$451875ed$422afc51$14705@FUSE.NET...
> The link takes a password, can you e-mail it?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

griffin proclaimed:

>>As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>>needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>>governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
>
> *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

I see it more as the family vehicle on "American Dad"

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

griffin proclaimed:

>>As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>>needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>>governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
>
> *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

I see it more as the family vehicle on "American Dad"