consensus on new commander?
 

So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
worth considering.

Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Bill Kearney wrote:
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need
> of replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander
> make it worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

Sat in one at the state fair, but that's as close as I'll probably get.

Boxy, very boxy, and confining. Not quite as boxy as the new Land
Rover and not near as much cheap plastic, but it still didn't make
me feel either safe or comfy behind the wheel.

I think they went and tried to copy Hummer and accommodate the
class A, hypertensive, cigar puffing, red faced, intolerant boob
that usually can be found behind the wheel.

As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
governor to feel like I fit in it.

--
Doug(I never have an opinion)W

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Bill Kearney wrote:
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need
> of replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander
> make it worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

Sat in one at the state fair, but that's as close as I'll probably get.

Boxy, very boxy, and confining. Not quite as boxy as the new Land
Rover and not near as much cheap plastic, but it still didn't make
me feel either safe or comfy behind the wheel.

I think they went and tried to copy Hummer and accommodate the
class A, hypertensive, cigar puffing, red faced, intolerant boob
that usually can be found behind the wheel.

As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
governor to feel like I fit in it.

--
Doug(I never have an opinion)W

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Bill Kearney wrote:
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need
> of replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander
> make it worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

Sat in one at the state fair, but that's as close as I'll probably get.

Boxy, very boxy, and confining. Not quite as boxy as the new Land
Rover and not near as much cheap plastic, but it still didn't make
me feel either safe or comfy behind the wheel.

I think they went and tried to copy Hummer and accommodate the
class A, hypertensive, cigar puffing, red faced, intolerant boob
that usually can be found behind the wheel.

As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
governor to feel like I fit in it.

--
Doug(I never have an opinion)W

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.

I've only seen the Commander at the dealership when the kids bought their
Grand Cherokee. While my opinion is not as strong as Doug's I cannot see
myself in one.

Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
once you have it.



"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:WEXRg.7649$iA5.1104@dukeread11...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need
>> of replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander
>> make it worth considering.
>>
>> Anyone here actually have one?
>
> Sat in one at the state fair, but that's as close as I'll probably get.
>
> Boxy, very boxy, and confining. Not quite as boxy as the new Land
> Rover and not near as much cheap plastic, but it still didn't make
> me feel either safe or comfy behind the wheel.
>
> I think they went and tried to copy Hummer and accommodate the
> class A, hypertensive, cigar puffing, red faced, intolerant boob
> that usually can be found behind the wheel.
>
> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
> --
> Doug(I never have an opinion)W
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.

I've only seen the Commander at the dealership when the kids bought their
Grand Cherokee. While my opinion is not as strong as Doug's I cannot see
myself in one.

Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
once you have it.



"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:WEXRg.7649$iA5.1104@dukeread11...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need
>> of replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander
>> make it worth considering.
>>
>> Anyone here actually have one?
>
> Sat in one at the state fair, but that's as close as I'll probably get.
>
> Boxy, very boxy, and confining. Not quite as boxy as the new Land
> Rover and not near as much cheap plastic, but it still didn't make
> me feel either safe or comfy behind the wheel.
>
> I think they went and tried to copy Hummer and accommodate the
> class A, hypertensive, cigar puffing, red faced, intolerant boob
> that usually can be found behind the wheel.
>
> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
> --
> Doug(I never have an opinion)W
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.

I've only seen the Commander at the dealership when the kids bought their
Grand Cherokee. While my opinion is not as strong as Doug's I cannot see
myself in one.

Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
once you have it.



"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:WEXRg.7649$iA5.1104@dukeread11...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need
>> of replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander
>> make it worth considering.
>>
>> Anyone here actually have one?
>
> Sat in one at the state fair, but that's as close as I'll probably get.
>
> Boxy, very boxy, and confining. Not quite as boxy as the new Land
> Rover and not near as much cheap plastic, but it still didn't make
> me feel either safe or comfy behind the wheel.
>
> I think they went and tried to copy Hummer and accommodate the
> class A, hypertensive, cigar puffing, red faced, intolerant boob
> that usually can be found behind the wheel.
>
> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
> --
> Doug(I never have an opinion)W
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> governor to feel like I fit in it.

*plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> governor to feel like I fit in it.

*plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> governor to feel like I fit in it.

*plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

griffin wrote:
>> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
> *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)

--
DougW

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

griffin wrote:
>> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
> *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)

--
DougW

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

griffin wrote:
>> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>
> *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*

It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)

--
DougW

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Heh ya, exactly. My neighbour just bought one - too much truck for me. For
anyone who doesn't watch Simpson's or doesn't remember the Canyonero
episodes (there's two now!), here's the lyrics:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesi.../canyonero.htm

And for maximum effect, download the wav. Great tune :)
http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/sim.../simsg297m.wav

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:OqZRg.7655$iA5.7648@dukeread11...
> griffin wrote:
> >> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> >> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> >> governor to feel like I fit in it.
> >
> > *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*
>
> It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Heh ya, exactly. My neighbour just bought one - too much truck for me. For
anyone who doesn't watch Simpson's or doesn't remember the Canyonero
episodes (there's two now!), here's the lyrics:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesi.../canyonero.htm

And for maximum effect, download the wav. Great tune :)
http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/sim.../simsg297m.wav

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:OqZRg.7655$iA5.7648@dukeread11...
> griffin wrote:
> >> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> >> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> >> governor to feel like I fit in it.
> >
> > *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*
>
> It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Heh ya, exactly. My neighbour just bought one - too much truck for me. For
anyone who doesn't watch Simpson's or doesn't remember the Canyonero
episodes (there's two now!), here's the lyrics:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesi.../canyonero.htm

And for maximum effect, download the wav. Great tune :)
http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/sim.../simsg297m.wav

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:OqZRg.7655$iA5.7648@dukeread11...
> griffin wrote:
> >> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
> >> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
> >> governor to feel like I fit in it.
> >
> > *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*
>
> It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oZOdnUX6KvBop4XYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
> replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
> worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

My step dad just bought one with the Hemi option. It's loaded.
I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
about 450 miles.
I'm 6'2 and 325lbs, it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.
Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better. The windshield
seemed short in height, but I got used to that.

My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the screen
wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.

Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so detached
from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for the
road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay attention.
First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.
Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.

The ride is a little bit on the soft side.

Just my opinions

I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.

Spdloader

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oZOdnUX6KvBop4XYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
> replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
> worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

My step dad just bought one with the Hemi option. It's loaded.
I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
about 450 miles.
I'm 6'2 and 325lbs, it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.
Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better. The windshield
seemed short in height, but I got used to that.

My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the screen
wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.

Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so detached
from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for the
road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay attention.
First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.
Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.

The ride is a little bit on the soft side.

Just my opinions

I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.

Spdloader

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oZOdnUX6KvBop4XYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
> replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
> worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

My step dad just bought one with the Hemi option. It's loaded.
I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
about 450 miles.
I'm 6'2 and 325lbs, it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.
Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better. The windshield
seemed short in height, but I got used to that.

My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the screen
wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.

Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so detached
from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for the
road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay attention.
First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.
Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.

The ride is a little bit on the soft side.

Just my opinions

I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.

Spdloader

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

The link takes a password, can you e-mail it?


"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:di_Rg.35550$1T2.2341@pd7urf2no...
> Heh ya, exactly. My neighbour just bought one - too much truck for me. For
> anyone who doesn't watch Simpson's or doesn't remember the Canyonero
> episodes (there's two now!), here's the lyrics:
>
> http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesi.../canyonero.htm
>
> And for maximum effect, download the wav. Great tune :)
> http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/sim.../simsg297m.wav
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:OqZRg.7655$iA5.7648@dukeread11...
>> griffin wrote:
>> >> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>> >> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>> >> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>> >
>> > *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*
>>
>> It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

The link takes a password, can you e-mail it?


"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:di_Rg.35550$1T2.2341@pd7urf2no...
> Heh ya, exactly. My neighbour just bought one - too much truck for me. For
> anyone who doesn't watch Simpson's or doesn't remember the Canyonero
> episodes (there's two now!), here's the lyrics:
>
> http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesi.../canyonero.htm
>
> And for maximum effect, download the wav. Great tune :)
> http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/sim.../simsg297m.wav
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:OqZRg.7655$iA5.7648@dukeread11...
>> griffin wrote:
>> >> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>> >> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>> >> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>> >
>> > *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*
>>
>> It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

The link takes a password, can you e-mail it?


"griffin" <gryffy@WEEEEshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:di_Rg.35550$1T2.2341@pd7urf2no...
> Heh ya, exactly. My neighbour just bought one - too much truck for me. For
> anyone who doesn't watch Simpson's or doesn't remember the Canyonero
> episodes (there's two now!), here's the lyrics:
>
> http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesi.../canyonero.htm
>
> And for maximum effect, download the wav. Great tune :)
> http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/sim.../simsg297m.wav
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:OqZRg.7655$iA5.7648@dukeread11...
>> griffin wrote:
>> >> As for how it drives, dunno. But it left me with the impression I
>> >> needed to be about 7' tall, 300lb, cigar smoking, steroid driven
>> >> governor to feel like I fit in it.
>> >
>> > *plays the Simpson's "Canyonero!" theme song*
>>
>> It felt more like "Mr. Plow", but that's a good choice. :)
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

The Studebaker Commander, ahead of it's time:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...mander&spell=1
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill Kearney wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
> replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
> worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

The Studebaker Commander, ahead of it's time:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...mander&spell=1
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill Kearney wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
> replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
> worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

The Studebaker Commander, ahead of it's time:
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...mander&spell=1
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bill Kearney wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
> replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
> worth considering.
>
> Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.

Why? The ride's apparently quite a bit mushier on the JGC than the
Commander.

> Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
> once you have it.

I'd have bought another Cherokee in a heartbeat. Plain, simple and durable.
Of course they'd rather squander brand loyalties and shove this latest crap
on us instead.

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.

Why? The ride's apparently quite a bit mushier on the JGC than the
Commander.

> Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
> once you have it.

I'd have bought another Cherokee in a heartbeat. Plain, simple and durable.
Of course they'd rather squander brand loyalties and shove this latest crap
on us instead.

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.

Why? The ride's apparently quite a bit mushier on the JGC than the
Commander.

> Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
> once you have it.

I'd have bought another Cherokee in a heartbeat. Plain, simple and durable.
Of course they'd rather squander brand loyalties and shove this latest crap
on us instead.

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
> about 450 miles.

Excellent, feedback from someone that's ACTUALLY DRIVEN ONE.

> I'm 6'2 and 325lbs,

I'm 6'4" and about a hundred pounds less.

> it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
> ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
> handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
> shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.

I greatly despise how most vehicles these days insist on having a center
console. I want some room to shift the legs. I'll take note of what you've
had trouble with when I demo one this week.

> Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.

That's the alternative vehicle being considered.

> The windshield seemed short in height, but I got used to that.

> My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the
screen
> wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.

I could care less about gadetry like that. I don't want/need it. It no
doubt gets foisted on us because of inclusion in other packages. But I'd
certainly live without it otherwise.

> Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so
detached
> from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for
the
> road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay
attention.

Heh, unlike my old Cherokee. I joke, the only way it'd ever do 80 would be
as it plummeted off an escarpment. Even a friend's Bronco I've driven gets
wiggly anywhere faster than 75.

> First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.

Got the 'lead out' of your right foot on seeing the MPG? Or just stopped
kicking down the throttle on the hemi 'for fun'?

> Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.
> The ride is a little bit on the soft side.
> Just my opinions
> I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.

Thanks!

-Bill Kearney

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
> about 450 miles.

Excellent, feedback from someone that's ACTUALLY DRIVEN ONE.

> I'm 6'2 and 325lbs,

I'm 6'4" and about a hundred pounds less.

> it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
> ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
> handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
> shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.

I greatly despise how most vehicles these days insist on having a center
console. I want some room to shift the legs. I'll take note of what you've
had trouble with when I demo one this week.

> Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.

That's the alternative vehicle being considered.

> The windshield seemed short in height, but I got used to that.

> My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the
screen
> wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.

I could care less about gadetry like that. I don't want/need it. It no
doubt gets foisted on us because of inclusion in other packages. But I'd
certainly live without it otherwise.

> Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so
detached
> from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for
the
> road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay
attention.

Heh, unlike my old Cherokee. I joke, the only way it'd ever do 80 would be
as it plummeted off an escarpment. Even a friend's Bronco I've driven gets
wiggly anywhere faster than 75.

> First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.

Got the 'lead out' of your right foot on seeing the MPG? Or just stopped
kicking down the throttle on the hemi 'for fun'?

> Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.
> The ride is a little bit on the soft side.
> Just my opinions
> I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.

Thanks!

-Bill Kearney

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

> I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
> about 450 miles.

Excellent, feedback from someone that's ACTUALLY DRIVEN ONE.

> I'm 6'2 and 325lbs,

I'm 6'4" and about a hundred pounds less.

> it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
> ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
> handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
> shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.

I greatly despise how most vehicles these days insist on having a center
console. I want some room to shift the legs. I'll take note of what you've
had trouble with when I demo one this week.

> Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.

That's the alternative vehicle being considered.

> The windshield seemed short in height, but I got used to that.

> My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the
screen
> wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.

I could care less about gadetry like that. I don't want/need it. It no
doubt gets foisted on us because of inclusion in other packages. But I'd
certainly live without it otherwise.

> Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so
detached
> from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for
the
> road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay
attention.

Heh, unlike my old Cherokee. I joke, the only way it'd ever do 80 would be
as it plummeted off an escarpment. Even a friend's Bronco I've driven gets
wiggly anywhere faster than 75.

> First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.

Got the 'lead out' of your right foot on seeing the MPG? Or just stopped
kicking down the throttle on the hemi 'for fun'?

> Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.
> The ride is a little bit on the soft side.
> Just my opinions
> I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.

Thanks!

-Bill Kearney

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

If your Cherokee didn't like to go 80 there was something wrong with it
or you really had it set up for rock crawling or something.

Mine is quite happy cruising at 80, will do it all day with no problems.

If the Commander was about 1/3 smaller and had a 4.0 I6 in it I'd be
interested, as it is...

I'd rather have a Studebaker Commander!

http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/...Commander.html

It's even the same body style as my Cherokee!

Jeff DeWitt

Bill Kearney wrote:
>>I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
>>about 450 miles.
>
>
> Excellent, feedback from someone that's ACTUALLY DRIVEN ONE.
>
>
>>I'm 6'2 and 325lbs,
>
>
> I'm 6'4" and about a hundred pounds less.
>
>
>>it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
>>ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
>>handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
>>shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.
>
>
> I greatly despise how most vehicles these days insist on having a center
> console. I want some room to shift the legs. I'll take note of what you've
> had trouble with when I demo one this week.
>
>
>>Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.
>
>
> That's the alternative vehicle being considered.
>
>
>>The windshield seemed short in height, but I got used to that.
>
>
>>My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the
>
> screen
>
>>wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.
>
>
> I could care less about gadetry like that. I don't want/need it. It no
> doubt gets foisted on us because of inclusion in other packages. But I'd
> certainly live without it otherwise.
>
>
>>Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so
>
> detached
>
>>from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for
>
> the
>
>>road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay
>
> attention.
>
> Heh, unlike my old Cherokee. I joke, the only way it'd ever do 80 would be
> as it plummeted off an escarpment. Even a friend's Bronco I've driven gets
> wiggly anywhere faster than 75.
>
>
>>First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.
>
>
> Got the 'lead out' of your right foot on seeing the MPG? Or just stopped
> kicking down the throttle on the hemi 'for fun'?
>
>
>>Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.
>>The ride is a little bit on the soft side.
>>Just my opinions
>>I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill Kearney
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

If your Cherokee didn't like to go 80 there was something wrong with it
or you really had it set up for rock crawling or something.

Mine is quite happy cruising at 80, will do it all day with no problems.

If the Commander was about 1/3 smaller and had a 4.0 I6 in it I'd be
interested, as it is...

I'd rather have a Studebaker Commander!

http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/...Commander.html

It's even the same body style as my Cherokee!

Jeff DeWitt

Bill Kearney wrote:
>>I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
>>about 450 miles.
>
>
> Excellent, feedback from someone that's ACTUALLY DRIVEN ONE.
>
>
>>I'm 6'2 and 325lbs,
>
>
> I'm 6'4" and about a hundred pounds less.
>
>
>>it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
>>ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
>>handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
>>shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.
>
>
> I greatly despise how most vehicles these days insist on having a center
> console. I want some room to shift the legs. I'll take note of what you've
> had trouble with when I demo one this week.
>
>
>>Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.
>
>
> That's the alternative vehicle being considered.
>
>
>>The windshield seemed short in height, but I got used to that.
>
>
>>My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the
>
> screen
>
>>wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.
>
>
> I could care less about gadetry like that. I don't want/need it. It no
> doubt gets foisted on us because of inclusion in other packages. But I'd
> certainly live without it otherwise.
>
>
>>Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so
>
> detached
>
>>from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for
>
> the
>
>>road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay
>
> attention.
>
> Heh, unlike my old Cherokee. I joke, the only way it'd ever do 80 would be
> as it plummeted off an escarpment. Even a friend's Bronco I've driven gets
> wiggly anywhere faster than 75.
>
>
>>First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.
>
>
> Got the 'lead out' of your right foot on seeing the MPG? Or just stopped
> kicking down the throttle on the hemi 'for fun'?
>
>
>>Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.
>>The ride is a little bit on the soft side.
>>Just my opinions
>>I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill Kearney
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

If your Cherokee didn't like to go 80 there was something wrong with it
or you really had it set up for rock crawling or something.

Mine is quite happy cruising at 80, will do it all day with no problems.

If the Commander was about 1/3 smaller and had a 4.0 I6 in it I'd be
interested, as it is...

I'd rather have a Studebaker Commander!

http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/...Commander.html

It's even the same body style as my Cherokee!

Jeff DeWitt

Bill Kearney wrote:
>>I had the opportunity to drive it to the beach for the weekend. Round trip
>>about 450 miles.
>
>
> Excellent, feedback from someone that's ACTUALLY DRIVEN ONE.
>
>
>>I'm 6'2 and 325lbs,
>
>
> I'm 6'4" and about a hundred pounds less.
>
>
>>it seems roomy enough at first, but down the road a
>>ways, the door handle was digging into my left knee, the emergency brake
>>handle was digging into my right thigh, and the armrest has an unnatural
>>shape to it that makes my forearm hurt when using it on a long trip.
>
>
> I greatly despise how most vehicles these days insist on having a center
> console. I want some room to shift the legs. I'll take note of what you've
> had trouble with when I demo one this week.
>
>
>>Rear room was adequate, but my wifes Explorer is better.
>
>
> That's the alternative vehicle being considered.
>
>
>>The windshield seemed short in height, but I got used to that.
>
>
>>My 8 year old loved the DVD player and the wireless head set, but the
>
> screen
>
>>wouldn't turn to face her, just faced straight back.
>
>
> I could care less about gadetry like that. I don't want/need it. It no
> doubt gets foisted on us because of inclusion in other packages. But I'd
> certainly live without it otherwise.
>
>
>>Engine power is phenomenal. All you need and more, but, you are so
>
> detached
>
>>from your surroundings from the extreme quiet, you don't get a feel for
>
> the
>
>>road or the engine, and it's very easy to speed if you don't pay
>
> attention.
>
> Heh, unlike my old Cherokee. I joke, the only way it'd ever do 80 would be
> as it plummeted off an escarpment. Even a friend's Bronco I've driven gets
> wiggly anywhere faster than 75.
>
>
>>First tankful mileage was 13-1/2 highway. Second tank got up to around 17.
>
>
> Got the 'lead out' of your right foot on seeing the MPG? Or just stopped
> kicking down the throttle on the hemi 'for fun'?
>
>
>>Remember, it's a brand new vehicle not yet broken in.
>>The ride is a little bit on the soft side.
>>Just my opinions
>>I guess I like it overall, but not anymore for long trips.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill Kearney
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Jeep just knew a good idea when the stole it <G>

A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...

Daytona (DC)
Challenger (DC)
Golden Hawk (Jeep)
Sky Hawk (Buick)
Transtar (International)
Wagonaire (I know, Jeep used Wagoneer, both were designed by Brooks
Stevens and both had similar rear end treatments, although only the
Studebakers roof actually moved)
Land Cruiser (Toyota)
Interestingly Studebaker built a special version of the Land Cruiser
just for export that was intended for use off road in desert
environments. It had oversize tires, heavy duty everything, opened up
wheel wells, about everything you can think of to make a 2 wheel drive
car perform well in the desert.

One great old Studebaker name that I don't expect to see used again is
"Dictator"!

Jeff DeWitt


L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> The Studebaker Commander, ahead of it's time:
> http://images.google.com/images?svnu...mander&spell=1
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>
>>So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
>>replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
>>worth considering.
>>
>>Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Jeep just knew a good idea when the stole it <G>

A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...

Daytona (DC)
Challenger (DC)
Golden Hawk (Jeep)
Sky Hawk (Buick)
Transtar (International)
Wagonaire (I know, Jeep used Wagoneer, both were designed by Brooks
Stevens and both had similar rear end treatments, although only the
Studebakers roof actually moved)
Land Cruiser (Toyota)
Interestingly Studebaker built a special version of the Land Cruiser
just for export that was intended for use off road in desert
environments. It had oversize tires, heavy duty everything, opened up
wheel wells, about everything you can think of to make a 2 wheel drive
car perform well in the desert.

One great old Studebaker name that I don't expect to see used again is
"Dictator"!

Jeff DeWitt


L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> The Studebaker Commander, ahead of it's time:
> http://images.google.com/images?svnu...mander&spell=1
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>
>>So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
>>replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
>>worth considering.
>>
>>Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Jeep just knew a good idea when the stole it <G>

A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...

Daytona (DC)
Challenger (DC)
Golden Hawk (Jeep)
Sky Hawk (Buick)
Transtar (International)
Wagonaire (I know, Jeep used Wagoneer, both were designed by Brooks
Stevens and both had similar rear end treatments, although only the
Studebakers roof actually moved)
Land Cruiser (Toyota)
Interestingly Studebaker built a special version of the Land Cruiser
just for export that was intended for use off road in desert
environments. It had oversize tires, heavy duty everything, opened up
wheel wells, about everything you can think of to make a 2 wheel drive
car perform well in the desert.

One great old Studebaker name that I don't expect to see used again is
"Dictator"!

Jeff DeWitt


L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> The Studebaker Commander, ahead of it's time:
> http://images.google.com/images?svnu...mander&spell=1
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>
>>So what's the consensus on how the commander stacks up? I'm in need of
>>replacing my ancient Cherokee and the 0% deals on the commander make it
>>worth considering.
>>
>>Anyone here actually have one?

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Personal preference, I found the transition from an XJ to WJ quite a
change, I don't think I would want to got all the way to the Commander.

But that is just a personal preference.


"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bI2dnWVLAv3XFoXYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.
>
> Why? The ride's apparently quite a bit mushier on the JGC than the
> Commander.
>
>> Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
>> once you have it.
>
> I'd have bought another Cherokee in a heartbeat. Plain, simple and
> durable.
> Of course they'd rather squander brand loyalties and shove this latest
> crap
> on us instead.
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Personal preference, I found the transition from an XJ to WJ quite a
change, I don't think I would want to got all the way to the Commander.

But that is just a personal preference.


"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bI2dnWVLAv3XFoXYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.
>
> Why? The ride's apparently quite a bit mushier on the JGC than the
> Commander.
>
>> Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
>> once you have it.
>
> I'd have bought another Cherokee in a heartbeat. Plain, simple and
> durable.
> Of course they'd rather squander brand loyalties and shove this latest
> crap
> on us instead.
>

Re: consensus on new commander?
 

Personal preference, I found the transition from an XJ to WJ quite a
change, I don't think I would want to got all the way to the Commander.

But that is just a personal preference.


"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bI2dnWVLAv3XFoXYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> If you can get the financing on a Grand Cherokee I would go with that.
>
> Why? The ride's apparently quite a bit mushier on the JGC than the
> Commander.
>
>> Ultimately it comes down to what you want and what you want to do with it
>> once you have it.
>
> I'd have bought another Cherokee in a heartbeat. Plain, simple and
> durable.
> Of course they'd rather squander brand loyalties and shove this latest
> crap
> on us instead.
>