There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would.
Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
coward!
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
and to ***,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"24Bit®" wrote:
><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

 

There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would.
Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
coward!
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
and to ***,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"24Bit®" wrote:
><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

 

I believe most people were raised by their parents to take
responsibility and make their own decisions.
There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would.
Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
coward!
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
and to ***,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"24Bit®" wrote:
><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

 

I believe most people were raised by their parents to take
responsibility and make their own decisions.
There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would.
Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
coward!
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
and to ***,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"24Bit®" wrote:
><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

 

I believe most people were raised by their parents to take
responsibility and make their own decisions.
There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would.
Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
coward!
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
and to ***,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"24Bit®" wrote:
><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

 

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>
>> Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.
>
>It did on my old 78 Dodge with the 'lean burn' system; it was set up so
>that the valve was wide open at any throttle setting except idle, and
>the mains were oversized a bit to compensate. After rejetting, I ended
>up with better throttle response and another 1.5 mpg, which was a big
>deal because it only got 10 mpg to begin with.

Since EGR doesn't cause a lean condition, larger jets would do nothing
to 'compensate' for it. Exhaust gas is inert. It doesn't change the
mixture, it only takes up space to keep peak combustion temperature
down.

>
>Another old '74 wagon I drove ran like a champ with the vacuum tube
>removed. No one I knew ever left theirs hooked up. I know the vacuum
>controls on EGRs now are more refined, but the idea of shoving exhaust
>gasses back into an engine to lower combustinon temps still seems silly
>to me. Even water injection made more sense to me.

No doubt EGR in the 70s & 80s wasn't good, but today, you probably
wouldn't notice a difference by disconnecting it. Other than the MIL
being on, that is.

I always wondered about water injection too. Perhaps it's more costly,
or has other drawbacks. Maybe the water vapor that gets past the rings
condensing in the combustion chamber could be a problem.

 

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>
>> Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.
>
>It did on my old 78 Dodge with the 'lean burn' system; it was set up so
>that the valve was wide open at any throttle setting except idle, and
>the mains were oversized a bit to compensate. After rejetting, I ended
>up with better throttle response and another 1.5 mpg, which was a big
>deal because it only got 10 mpg to begin with.

Since EGR doesn't cause a lean condition, larger jets would do nothing
to 'compensate' for it. Exhaust gas is inert. It doesn't change the
mixture, it only takes up space to keep peak combustion temperature
down.

>
>Another old '74 wagon I drove ran like a champ with the vacuum tube
>removed. No one I knew ever left theirs hooked up. I know the vacuum
>controls on EGRs now are more refined, but the idea of shoving exhaust
>gasses back into an engine to lower combustinon temps still seems silly
>to me. Even water injection made more sense to me.

No doubt EGR in the 70s & 80s wasn't good, but today, you probably
wouldn't notice a difference by disconnecting it. Other than the MIL
being on, that is.

I always wondered about water injection too. Perhaps it's more costly,
or has other drawbacks. Maybe the water vapor that gets past the rings
condensing in the combustion chamber could be a problem.

 

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>
>> Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.
>
>It did on my old 78 Dodge with the 'lean burn' system; it was set up so
>that the valve was wide open at any throttle setting except idle, and
>the mains were oversized a bit to compensate. After rejetting, I ended
>up with better throttle response and another 1.5 mpg, which was a big
>deal because it only got 10 mpg to begin with.

Since EGR doesn't cause a lean condition, larger jets would do nothing
to 'compensate' for it. Exhaust gas is inert. It doesn't change the
mixture, it only takes up space to keep peak combustion temperature
down.

>
>Another old '74 wagon I drove ran like a champ with the vacuum tube
>removed. No one I knew ever left theirs hooked up. I know the vacuum
>controls on EGRs now are more refined, but the idea of shoving exhaust
>gasses back into an engine to lower combustinon temps still seems silly
>to me. Even water injection made more sense to me.

No doubt EGR in the 70s & 80s wasn't good, but today, you probably
wouldn't notice a difference by disconnecting it. Other than the MIL
being on, that is.

I always wondered about water injection too. Perhaps it's more costly,
or has other drawbacks. Maybe the water vapor that gets past the rings
condensing in the combustion chamber could be a problem.

 

"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
news:bbsmn2hjabesvdtcdh00hvgi3ip3tulc6j@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:
>
> >bllsht wrote:
> >
> >> Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.
> >
> >It did on my old 78 Dodge with the 'lean burn' system; it was set up so
> >that the valve was wide open at any throttle setting except idle, and
> >the mains were oversized a bit to compensate. After rejetting, I ended
> >up with better throttle response and another 1.5 mpg, which was a big
> >deal because it only got 10 mpg to begin with.
>
> Since EGR doesn't cause a lean condition, larger jets would do nothing
> to 'compensate' for it. Exhaust gas is inert. It doesn't change the
> mixture, it only takes up space to keep peak combustion temperature
> down.
>
> >
> >Another old '74 wagon I drove ran like a champ with the vacuum tube
> >removed. No one I knew ever left theirs hooked up. I know the vacuum
> >controls on EGRs now are more refined, but the idea of shoving exhaust
> >gasses back into an engine to lower combustinon temps still seems silly
> >to me. Even water injection made more sense to me.
>
> No doubt EGR in the 70s & 80s wasn't good, but today, you probably
> wouldn't notice a difference by disconnecting it. Other than the MIL
> being on, that is.
>
> I always wondered about water injection too. Perhaps it's more costly,
> or has other drawbacks. Maybe the water vapor that gets past the rings
> condensing in the combustion chamber could be a problem.
>
Reliable storage and delivery problems. How are you going to supply water,
when the ambient temperature is -20º and the car is left out all night?

Earle

 

"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
news:bbsmn2hjabesvdtcdh00hvgi3ip3tulc6j@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:
>
> >bllsht wrote:
> >
> >> Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.
> >
> >It did on my old 78 Dodge with the 'lean burn' system; it was set up so
> >that the valve was wide open at any throttle setting except idle, and
> >the mains were oversized a bit to compensate. After rejetting, I ended
> >up with better throttle response and another 1.5 mpg, which was a big
> >deal because it only got 10 mpg to begin with.
>
> Since EGR doesn't cause a lean condition, larger jets would do nothing
> to 'compensate' for it. Exhaust gas is inert. It doesn't change the
> mixture, it only takes up space to keep peak combustion temperature
> down.
>
> >
> >Another old '74 wagon I drove ran like a champ with the vacuum tube
> >removed. No one I knew ever left theirs hooked up. I know the vacuum
> >controls on EGRs now are more refined, but the idea of shoving exhaust
> >gasses back into an engine to lower combustinon temps still seems silly
> >to me. Even water injection made more sense to me.
>
> No doubt EGR in the 70s & 80s wasn't good, but today, you probably
> wouldn't notice a difference by disconnecting it. Other than the MIL
> being on, that is.
>
> I always wondered about water injection too. Perhaps it's more costly,
> or has other drawbacks. Maybe the water vapor that gets past the rings
> condensing in the combustion chamber could be a problem.
>
Reliable storage and delivery problems. How are you going to supply water,
when the ambient temperature is -20º and the car is left out all night?

Earle