Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would.
Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
coward!
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"24Bit®" wrote:
><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:57:54 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:

>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
>> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
>> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it
>
>I used to do this back in the 70's and 80's too. I figured that
>sticking it to The Man was a good thing, and that if it ran better, what
>the hell.
>
>Fact is, every engine I ever did that to (that was carburated) ended up
>running too rich. It ran better, but too rich. I rejetted an old 318
>Dodge motor that I'd de-EGR'ed, and it was better, but then when the
>Smog Nazi hooked up a vacuum tester to the EGR and discovered my
>handiwork, it cost me $50 bucks to undo the thing, rejet and retest.
>Bleh. Big hassle.

Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.

>
>Doing this on an OBD-II controlled motor will set codes and make your
>dash light up like a Christmas tree. You can still get away with it on
>an OBD-I motor that is fuel injected without a problem, but just
>remember to undo it when the time comes.

Some OBD I systems (Chrysler & Jeep for example) do monitor EGR flow,
and will light the MIL if EGR is blocked off.

>
>EGR valves are old-school. You'd think that by now, they'd be
>unnessasary; creating a deliberate exhaust gas leak into the intake is
>like throwing a wet blanket on a fire.

On many vehicles, it is unnecessary now. But, as emission laws get
tighter, it may become necessary again.

When they first started using EGR, it didn't work as well as it does
now. Some vehicles actually have EGR valves, not because they were
needed to pass NOx standards, but because they found they could
actually get slightly better MPG.

>
>Now you have me thinking about installing a 'block-off' gasket on the TJ
>just to see if it would run better and get better mileage. A block-off
>wouldn't set a code (shouldn't?), and it won't run rich either.

"If" your TJ had EGR, and you blocked it off, it would certainly set a
code, but it doesn't.

>
>I'll get back to you on all this...

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:57:54 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:

>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
>> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
>> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it
>
>I used to do this back in the 70's and 80's too. I figured that
>sticking it to The Man was a good thing, and that if it ran better, what
>the hell.
>
>Fact is, every engine I ever did that to (that was carburated) ended up
>running too rich. It ran better, but too rich. I rejetted an old 318
>Dodge motor that I'd de-EGR'ed, and it was better, but then when the
>Smog Nazi hooked up a vacuum tester to the EGR and discovered my
>handiwork, it cost me $50 bucks to undo the thing, rejet and retest.
>Bleh. Big hassle.

Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.

>
>Doing this on an OBD-II controlled motor will set codes and make your
>dash light up like a Christmas tree. You can still get away with it on
>an OBD-I motor that is fuel injected without a problem, but just
>remember to undo it when the time comes.

Some OBD I systems (Chrysler & Jeep for example) do monitor EGR flow,
and will light the MIL if EGR is blocked off.

>
>EGR valves are old-school. You'd think that by now, they'd be
>unnessasary; creating a deliberate exhaust gas leak into the intake is
>like throwing a wet blanket on a fire.

On many vehicles, it is unnecessary now. But, as emission laws get
tighter, it may become necessary again.

When they first started using EGR, it didn't work as well as it does
now. Some vehicles actually have EGR valves, not because they were
needed to pass NOx standards, but because they found they could
actually get slightly better MPG.

>
>Now you have me thinking about installing a 'block-off' gasket on the TJ
>just to see if it would run better and get better mileage. A block-off
>wouldn't set a code (shouldn't?), and it won't run rich either.

"If" your TJ had EGR, and you blocked it off, it would certainly set a
code, but it doesn't.

>
>I'll get back to you on all this...

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:57:54 -0800, Outatime <user@example.net> wrote:

>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
>> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
>> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it
>
>I used to do this back in the 70's and 80's too. I figured that
>sticking it to The Man was a good thing, and that if it ran better, what
>the hell.
>
>Fact is, every engine I ever did that to (that was carburated) ended up
>running too rich. It ran better, but too rich. I rejetted an old 318
>Dodge motor that I'd de-EGR'ed, and it was better, but then when the
>Smog Nazi hooked up a vacuum tester to the EGR and discovered my
>handiwork, it cost me $50 bucks to undo the thing, rejet and retest.
>Bleh. Big hassle.

Lack of EGR will not cause a rich condition, injected or not.

>
>Doing this on an OBD-II controlled motor will set codes and make your
>dash light up like a Christmas tree. You can still get away with it on
>an OBD-I motor that is fuel injected without a problem, but just
>remember to undo it when the time comes.

Some OBD I systems (Chrysler & Jeep for example) do monitor EGR flow,
and will light the MIL if EGR is blocked off.

>
>EGR valves are old-school. You'd think that by now, they'd be
>unnessasary; creating a deliberate exhaust gas leak into the intake is
>like throwing a wet blanket on a fire.

On many vehicles, it is unnecessary now. But, as emission laws get
tighter, it may become necessary again.

When they first started using EGR, it didn't work as well as it does
now. Some vehicles actually have EGR valves, not because they were
needed to pass NOx standards, but because they found they could
actually get slightly better MPG.

>
>Now you have me thinking about installing a 'block-off' gasket on the TJ
>just to see if it would run better and get better mileage. A block-off
>wouldn't set a code (shouldn't?), and it won't run rich either.

"If" your TJ had EGR, and you blocked it off, it would certainly set a
code, but it doesn't.

>
>I'll get back to you on all this...

Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:02:38 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

You just can't seem to get it right, now can you, and these people listen
to your Bull, and accept it. Sad.

:> There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
:>I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
:>coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
:>make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
:>when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
:>elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
:>remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
:>Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
:>usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
:>any man would.
:> Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
:>coward!
:> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
:>paragraph it fits so well!
:> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
:>and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>"24Bit®" wrote:
:>><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:02:38 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

You just can't seem to get it right, now can you, and these people listen
to your Bull, and accept it. Sad.

:> There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
:>I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
:>coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
:>make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
:>when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
:>elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
:>remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
:>Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
:>usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
:>any man would.
:> Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
:>coward!
:> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
:>paragraph it fits so well!
:> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
:>and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>"24Bit®" wrote:
:>><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:02:38 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

You just can't seem to get it right, now can you, and these people listen
to your Bull, and accept it. Sad.

:> There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
:>I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
:>coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
:>make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
:>when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
:>elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
:>remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
:>Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
:>usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
:>any man would.
:> Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
:>coward!
:> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
:>paragraph it fits so well!
:> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
:>and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>"24Bit®" wrote:
:>><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:55:44 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

You just can't seem to get it right, now can you, and these people listen
to your Bull, and accept it. Sad.

:> There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
:>I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
:>coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
:>make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
:>when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
:>elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
:>remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
:>Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
:>usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
:>any man would.
:> Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
:>coward!
:> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
:>paragraph it fits so well!
:> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
:>and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>"24Bit®" wrote:
:>><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:55:44 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

You just can't seem to get it right, now can you, and these people listen
to your Bull, and accept it. Sad.

:> There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
:>I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
:>coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
:>make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
:>when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
:>elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
:>remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
:>Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
:>usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
:>any man would.
:> Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
:>coward!
:> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
:>paragraph it fits so well!
:> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
:>and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>"24Bit®" wrote:
:>><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: "SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:55:44 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

You just can't seem to get it right, now can you, and these people listen
to your Bull, and accept it. Sad.

:> There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
:>I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile
:>coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to
:>make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like
:>when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in
:>elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to
:>remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a
:>Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as
:>usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
:>any man would.
:> Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what
:>coward!
:> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
:>paragraph it fits so well!
:> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com
:>and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com)
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>"24Bit®" wrote:
:>><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>