Re: cold start sluggishness
 

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it

I used to do this back in the 70's and 80's too. I figured that
sticking it to The Man was a good thing, and that if it ran better, what
the hell.

Fact is, every engine I ever did that to (that was carburated) ended up
running too rich. It ran better, but too rich. I rejetted an old 318
Dodge motor that I'd de-EGR'ed, and it was better, but then when the
Smog Nazi hooked up a vacuum tester to the EGR and discovered my
handiwork, it cost me $50 bucks to undo the thing, rejet and retest.
Bleh. Big hassle.

Doing this on an OBD-II controlled motor will set codes and make your
dash light up like a Christmas tree. You can still get away with it on
an OBD-I motor that is fuel injected without a problem, but just
remember to undo it when the time comes.

EGR valves are old-school. You'd think that by now, they'd be
unnessasary; creating a deliberate exhaust gas leak into the intake is
like throwing a wet blanket on a fire.

Now you have me thinking about installing a 'block-off' gasket on the TJ
just to see if it would run better and get better mileage. A block-off
wouldn't set a code (shouldn't?), and it won't run rich either.

I'll get back to you on all this...

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it

I used to do this back in the 70's and 80's too. I figured that
sticking it to The Man was a good thing, and that if it ran better, what
the hell.

Fact is, every engine I ever did that to (that was carburated) ended up
running too rich. It ran better, but too rich. I rejetted an old 318
Dodge motor that I'd de-EGR'ed, and it was better, but then when the
Smog Nazi hooked up a vacuum tester to the EGR and discovered my
handiwork, it cost me $50 bucks to undo the thing, rejet and retest.
Bleh. Big hassle.

Doing this on an OBD-II controlled motor will set codes and make your
dash light up like a Christmas tree. You can still get away with it on
an OBD-I motor that is fuel injected without a problem, but just
remember to undo it when the time comes.

EGR valves are old-school. You'd think that by now, they'd be
unnessasary; creating a deliberate exhaust gas leak into the intake is
like throwing a wet blanket on a fire.

Now you have me thinking about installing a 'block-off' gasket on the TJ
just to see if it would run better and get better mileage. A block-off
wouldn't set a code (shouldn't?), and it won't run rich either.

I'll get back to you on all this...

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it

I used to do this back in the 70's and 80's too. I figured that
sticking it to The Man was a good thing, and that if it ran better, what
the hell.

Fact is, every engine I ever did that to (that was carburated) ended up
running too rich. It ran better, but too rich. I rejetted an old 318
Dodge motor that I'd de-EGR'ed, and it was better, but then when the
Smog Nazi hooked up a vacuum tester to the EGR and discovered my
handiwork, it cost me $50 bucks to undo the thing, rejet and retest.
Bleh. Big hassle.

Doing this on an OBD-II controlled motor will set codes and make your
dash light up like a Christmas tree. You can still get away with it on
an OBD-I motor that is fuel injected without a problem, but just
remember to undo it when the time comes.

EGR valves are old-school. You'd think that by now, they'd be
unnessasary; creating a deliberate exhaust gas leak into the intake is
like throwing a wet blanket on a fire.

Now you have me thinking about installing a 'block-off' gasket on the TJ
just to see if it would run better and get better mileage. A block-off
wouldn't set a code (shouldn't?), and it won't run rich either.

I'll get back to you on all this...

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:15:59 -0800, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it
> isn't actually tested: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> http://www.----------.com/ http://www.----------.com/
>
> Micah wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean the EGR is "blocked off"... EGR system is fairly
>> crucial, disconnecting it can cause a lot of problems. I've never
>> tried it though, so I don't know what happens when you do... quick look
>> at the haynes troubleshooting section under "Engine Lacks Power"...
>> suggestion #10 there is "EGR system not functioning properly." Hook
>> the EGR system up the way it's supposed to be and see what happens.


Both Conspiring and Counseling to commit a crime. Interesting.

Suborning a criminal act. Fascinating.

Posting it on Usenet. PRICELESS!!



And this now goes somewhere else; they'll love it.

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:15:59 -0800, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it
> isn't actually tested: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> http://www.----------.com/ http://www.----------.com/
>
> Micah wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean the EGR is "blocked off"... EGR system is fairly
>> crucial, disconnecting it can cause a lot of problems. I've never
>> tried it though, so I don't know what happens when you do... quick look
>> at the haynes troubleshooting section under "Engine Lacks Power"...
>> suggestion #10 there is "EGR system not functioning properly." Hook
>> the EGR system up the way it's supposed to be and see what happens.


Both Conspiring and Counseling to commit a crime. Interesting.

Suborning a criminal act. Fascinating.

Posting it on Usenet. PRICELESS!!



And this now goes somewhere else; they'll love it.

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:15:59 -0800, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Blocking off the Exhaust Gases Recirculation valve, isn't really a
> bad idea, I use a plug hidden inside the vacuum hose and a plate under
> the valves. Upon inspection it just must look as though it works, it
> isn't actually tested: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> http://www.----------.com/ http://www.----------.com/
>
> Micah wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean the EGR is "blocked off"... EGR system is fairly
>> crucial, disconnecting it can cause a lot of problems. I've never
>> tried it though, so I don't know what happens when you do... quick look
>> at the haynes troubleshooting section under "Engine Lacks Power"...
>> suggestion #10 there is "EGR system not functioning properly." Hook
>> the EGR system up the way it's supposed to be and see what happens.


Both Conspiring and Counseling to commit a crime. Interesting.

Suborning a criminal act. Fascinating.

Posting it on Usenet. PRICELESS!!



And this now goes somewhere else; they'll love it.

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe
how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath
liar is, in Vancouver who's only way to get attention is to make a fool
of it's self. With an obsession the other perverts here. With extreme
jealous ranting over the documents/possessions proving I'm an American
man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's
senseless barking, me too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too
girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

§qu@r3 Wh33£s wrote:
><snip queer fantasies over my body, and the jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe
how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath
liar is, in Vancouver who's only way to get attention is to make a fool
of it's self. With an obsession the other perverts here. With extreme
jealous ranting over the documents/possessions proving I'm an American
man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's
senseless barking, me too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too
girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

§qu@r3 Wh33£s wrote:
><snip queer fantasies over my body, and the jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re: cold start sluggishness
 

There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe
how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath
liar is, in Vancouver who's only way to get attention is to make a fool
of it's self. With an obsession the other perverts here. With extreme
jealous ranting over the documents/possessions proving I'm an American
man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's
senseless barking, me too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too
girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraph it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

§qu@r3 Wh33£s wrote:
><snip queer fantasies over my body, and the jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests>

Re:"SW" Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness
 

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:05:59 GMT, §qu@r3 Wh33£s <bubonic@germ.net> in an
all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote:

:>Here's a good one to report!
:>
:>
:>Both Conspiring and Counseling to commit a crime. Interesting.
:>
:>Suborning a criminal act. Fascinating.
:>
:>Posting it on Usenet. PRICELESS!!
:>
:>
:>And this now goes somewhere else; they'll love it.
:>
:>
Isn't it funny coming from a Pig Boy who never lies, is a Minute Maid
vigilante, a war hero who never fired a shot at the enemy, a service
station owner who never ripped off a customer, a race driver who never
cheated, one who owned many Harley's & every automobile that is to his
liking. + + + + + +
How will Lard Pig Boy slither out from under this one?
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