Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
12-11-2007, 01:10 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
J. Clarke wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
>> too!
>>
>> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
>> U-turn
>> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
>> saved
>> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
>> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
>> his door.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
> If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
> no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
> It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
> with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
> problem besides the blown brake line.
>
> Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
> split system then never mind.
>
The 86 CJ7 master is only a dual system, either both fronts or both
rears, no splits. My old Volvos and Rovers had splits like you mention
but needed dual calipers on front to do it.
It worked the rear brakes on the next pedal pump, then the center seal
in the 8 year old rebuilt MC went out and the pedal hit the floor on
subsequent pumps.
Didn't have time for more than one extra pump anyway, the second foot
hit the e-brake for the third pump....
Mike
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
>> too!
>>
>> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
>> U-turn
>> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
>> saved
>> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
>> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
>> his door.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
> If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
> no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
> It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
> with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
> problem besides the blown brake line.
>
> Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
> split system then never mind.
>
The 86 CJ7 master is only a dual system, either both fronts or both
rears, no splits. My old Volvos and Rovers had splits like you mention
but needed dual calipers on front to do it.
It worked the rear brakes on the next pedal pump, then the center seal
in the 8 year old rebuilt MC went out and the pedal hit the floor on
subsequent pumps.
Didn't have time for more than one extra pump anyway, the second foot
hit the e-brake for the third pump....
Mike
12-11-2007, 09:09 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Mike Romain wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
Apparently <G>
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
of both worlds.
Jeff DeWitt
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
Apparently <G>
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
of both worlds.
Jeff DeWitt
12-11-2007, 09:09 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Mike Romain wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
Apparently <G>
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
of both worlds.
Jeff DeWitt
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
Apparently <G>
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
of both worlds.
Jeff DeWitt
12-12-2007, 10:47 AM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
That is a design issue and a compatibility issue. The new 'so called'
OEM clutch pressure plates are no such thing! The all are based on
hydraulics and need 'way' too much pressure to be comfortable with a
mechanical linkage unless you weigh in at 300 lb or so.
These suckers have a multitude of little 'fingers' the throwout bearing
has to push on to release it. The 'real' OEM ones only had three large
fingers.
This makes the difference between the weight of the foot almost being
enough to release it with a 'real' OEM plate, to needing about 80 to 90
lbs of weight on the damn pedal to hold the sucker down. My wife even
had to pull up on the steering wheel to hold the clutch down.
Thankfully my new Plate blew up so I went back to the stock Borg Warner
three fingered plate. Wow what a difference!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
That is a design issue and a compatibility issue. The new 'so called'
OEM clutch pressure plates are no such thing! The all are based on
hydraulics and need 'way' too much pressure to be comfortable with a
mechanical linkage unless you weigh in at 300 lb or so.
These suckers have a multitude of little 'fingers' the throwout bearing
has to push on to release it. The 'real' OEM ones only had three large
fingers.
This makes the difference between the weight of the foot almost being
enough to release it with a 'real' OEM plate, to needing about 80 to 90
lbs of weight on the damn pedal to hold the sucker down. My wife even
had to pull up on the steering wheel to hold the clutch down.
Thankfully my new Plate blew up so I went back to the stock Borg Warner
three fingered plate. Wow what a difference!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
12-12-2007, 10:47 AM
#45
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
That is a design issue and a compatibility issue. The new 'so called'
OEM clutch pressure plates are no such thing! The all are based on
hydraulics and need 'way' too much pressure to be comfortable with a
mechanical linkage unless you weigh in at 300 lb or so.
These suckers have a multitude of little 'fingers' the throwout bearing
has to push on to release it. The 'real' OEM ones only had three large
fingers.
This makes the difference between the weight of the foot almost being
enough to release it with a 'real' OEM plate, to needing about 80 to 90
lbs of weight on the damn pedal to hold the sucker down. My wife even
had to pull up on the steering wheel to hold the clutch down.
Thankfully my new Plate blew up so I went back to the stock Borg Warner
three fingered plate. Wow what a difference!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
That is a design issue and a compatibility issue. The new 'so called'
OEM clutch pressure plates are no such thing! The all are based on
hydraulics and need 'way' too much pressure to be comfortable with a
mechanical linkage unless you weigh in at 300 lb or so.
These suckers have a multitude of little 'fingers' the throwout bearing
has to push on to release it. The 'real' OEM ones only had three large
fingers.
This makes the difference between the weight of the foot almost being
enough to release it with a 'real' OEM plate, to needing about 80 to 90
lbs of weight on the damn pedal to hold the sucker down. My wife even
had to pull up on the steering wheel to hold the clutch down.
Thankfully my new Plate blew up so I went back to the stock Borg Warner
three fingered plate. Wow what a difference!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
#46
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
>
> I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
> but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
>
> There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
> anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
> Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
> 4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
> That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
> of both worlds.
Jeff, you might want to do a little research in the International parts
list. The older ones that I'm familiar with used a hydraulic setup that
was a lot easier to adapt as it was more like bracket mounted pieces that
would connect to the existing fork from an external mount bracket which is
pretty easy to fab. The Jeep parts have a lot of dependencies on the mount
locations on the bell housing itself and don't appear to be very easy to
re-locate for use with existing linkages.
Basically, IH used what looks more like generic parts to power the existing
linkage. A good start would be the old Scout setups.
--
Will Honea
--
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> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
>
> I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
> but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
>
> There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
> anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
> Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
> 4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
> That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
> of both worlds.
Jeff, you might want to do a little research in the International parts
list. The older ones that I'm familiar with used a hydraulic setup that
was a lot easier to adapt as it was more like bracket mounted pieces that
would connect to the existing fork from an external mount bracket which is
pretty easy to fab. The Jeep parts have a lot of dependencies on the mount
locations on the bell housing itself and don't appear to be very easy to
re-locate for use with existing linkages.
Basically, IH used what looks more like generic parts to power the existing
linkage. A good start would be the old Scout setups.
--
Will Honea
--
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12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
>
> I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
> but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
>
> There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
> anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
> Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
> 4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
> That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
> of both worlds.
Jeff, you might want to do a little research in the International parts
list. The older ones that I'm familiar with used a hydraulic setup that
was a lot easier to adapt as it was more like bracket mounted pieces that
would connect to the existing fork from an external mount bracket which is
pretty easy to fab. The Jeep parts have a lot of dependencies on the mount
locations on the bell housing itself and don't appear to be very easy to
re-locate for use with existing linkages.
Basically, IH used what looks more like generic parts to power the existing
linkage. A good start would be the old Scout setups.
--
Will Honea
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
>>> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
>>> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>
>> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> Apparently <G>
>
>>
>> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
>> systems fail, you fix them....
>
> The mechanical clutch linkage on a Studebaker Champ pickup is a little
> weird, plus my truck was badly converted to (Stude) V8 by a previous
> owner, and the clutch is very heavy (it IS a real truck).
>
> I'm going to take a hard look at it and see if the project makes sense,
> but part of it making sense means no modifications that can't be undone.
>
> There seems to be something about Studes and Jeeps that goes together
> anyway. I know a guy who has a Cherokee anti sway bar mounted on his
> Champ pickup, and a while back someone had a VERY cool little old ******
> 4wd pickup that had been converted to Stude V8 power many years ago.
> That was one of the coolest little trucks I've ever seen, and the best
> of both worlds.
Jeff, you might want to do a little research in the International parts
list. The older ones that I'm familiar with used a hydraulic setup that
was a lot easier to adapt as it was more like bracket mounted pieces that
would connect to the existing fork from an external mount bracket which is
pretty easy to fab. The Jeep parts have a lot of dependencies on the mount
locations on the bell housing itself and don't appear to be very easy to
re-locate for use with existing linkages.
Basically, IH used what looks more like generic parts to power the existing
linkage. A good start would be the old Scout setups.
--
Will Honea
--
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