Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.

So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).

This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.

I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.

Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
funny.

I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any difference.

This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
suggestions?

Thanks!

Jeff DeWitt

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the fork
rides on.





"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and it
> finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't last
> though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic clip
> that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent that
> might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still won't
> release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the fork
rides on.





"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and it
> finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't last
> though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic clip
> that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent that
> might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still won't
> release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> fork rides on.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> broke.
>>
>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>
>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>
>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>
>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> little funny.
>>
>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> difference.
>>
>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>
>

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> fork rides on.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> broke.
>>
>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>
>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>
>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>
>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> little funny.
>>
>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> difference.
>>
>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>
>

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch fork or
the pivot takes a bye.

I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember the
>first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it stuck
>again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly after
>the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little soft,
>as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
>solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> fork rides on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
>>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
>>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
>>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
>>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>>>
>>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>
>>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>
>>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>
>>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
>>> funny.
>>>
>>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
>>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch fork or
the pivot takes a bye.

I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember the
>first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it stuck
>again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly after
>the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little soft,
>as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
>solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> fork rides on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
>>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
>>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
>>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
>>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>>>
>>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>
>>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>
>>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>
>>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
>>> funny.
>>>
>>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
>>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

Hi Jeff,
That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> > fork rides on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
> >> broke.
> >>
> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>
> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>
> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>
> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
> >> little funny.
> >>
> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >> suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
> >
> >

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

Hi Jeff,
That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> > fork rides on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
> >> broke.
> >>
> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>
> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>
> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>
> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
> >> little funny.
> >>
> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >> suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt
> >
> >

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

Agreed. I replaced a clutch once for a customer that described
something like this. By the time he got done having his internal clutch
problems he had a bent master cylinder push rod too. :o(

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Iu_6j.10414$OR.9154@trnddc01...
> You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch
fork or
> the pivot takes a bye.
>
> I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
the
> >first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
stuck
> >again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly
after
> >the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little
soft,
> >as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
> >solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that
the
> >> fork rides on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>
> >>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in
and it
> >>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at
it and
> >>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
Didn't
> >>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
plastic
> >>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
broke.
> >>>
> >>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>>
> >>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>>
> >>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything
apparent
> >>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>>
> >>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch
still
> >>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
little
> >>> funny.
> >>>
> >>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell
(no
> >>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
tried
> >>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >>> difference.
> >>>
> >>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Jeff DeWitt
> >>



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