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Jeff DeWitt 12-09-2007 03:47 PM

Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.

So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).

This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.

I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.

Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
funny.

I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any difference.

This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
suggestions?

Thanks!

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland 12-09-2007 03:59 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the fork
rides on.





"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and it
> finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't last
> though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic clip
> that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent that
> might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still won't
> release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt



Jeff Strickland 12-09-2007 03:59 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the fork
rides on.





"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and it
> finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't last
> though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic clip
> that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent that
> might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still won't
> release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt



Jeff DeWitt 12-09-2007 05:44 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> fork rides on.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> broke.
>>
>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>
>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>
>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>
>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> little funny.
>>
>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> difference.
>>
>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt

>
>


Jeff DeWitt 12-09-2007 05:44 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> fork rides on.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> broke.
>>
>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>
>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>
>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>
>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> little funny.
>>
>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> difference.
>>
>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt

>
>


Jeff Strickland 12-09-2007 06:03 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch fork or
the pivot takes a bye.

I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember the
>first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it stuck
>again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly after
>the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little soft,
>as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
>solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> fork rides on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
>>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
>>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
>>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
>>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>>>
>>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>
>>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>
>>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>
>>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
>>> funny.
>>>
>>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
>>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt

>>


Jeff Strickland 12-09-2007 06:03 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch fork or
the pivot takes a bye.

I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.




"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember the
>first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it stuck
>again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly after
>the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little soft,
>as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
>solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> fork rides on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
>>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
>>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
>>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
>>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>>>
>>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>
>>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>
>>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>
>>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
>>> funny.
>>>
>>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
>>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt

>>


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-09-2007 06:10 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Hi Jeff,
That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> > fork rides on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
> >> broke.
> >>
> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>
> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>
> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>
> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
> >> little funny.
> >>
> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >> suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt

> >
> >






L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-09-2007 06:10 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Hi Jeff,
That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
> > fork rides on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
> >> broke.
> >>
> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>
> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>
> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>
> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
> >> little funny.
> >>
> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >> suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Jeff DeWitt

> >
> >






Earle Horton 12-09-2007 06:15 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Agreed. I replaced a clutch once for a customer that described
something like this. By the time he got done having his internal clutch
problems he had a bent master cylinder push rod too. :o(

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Iu_6j.10414$OR.9154@trnddc01...
> You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch

fork or
> the pivot takes a bye.
>
> I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember

the
> >first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it

stuck
> >again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly

after
> >the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little

soft,
> >as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
> >solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that

the
> >> fork rides on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>
> >>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in

and it
> >>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at

it and
> >>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.

Didn't
> >>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the

plastic
> >>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal

broke.
> >>>
> >>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>>
> >>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>>
> >>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything

apparent
> >>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>>
> >>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch

still
> >>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a

little
> >>> funny.
> >>>
> >>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell

(no
> >>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also

tried
> >>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >>> difference.
> >>>
> >>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Jeff DeWitt
> >>




--
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Earle Horton 12-09-2007 06:15 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Agreed. I replaced a clutch once for a customer that described
something like this. By the time he got done having his internal clutch
problems he had a bent master cylinder push rod too. :o(

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Iu_6j.10414$OR.9154@trnddc01...
> You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch

fork or
> the pivot takes a bye.
>
> I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember

the
> >first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it

stuck
> >again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly

after
> >the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little

soft,
> >as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
> >solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that

the
> >> fork rides on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>
> >>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in

and it
> >>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at

it and
> >>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.

Didn't
> >>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the

plastic
> >>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal

broke.
> >>>
> >>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>>
> >>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>>
> >>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything

apparent
> >>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>>
> >>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch

still
> >>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a

little
> >>> funny.
> >>>
> >>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell

(no
> >>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also

tried
> >>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >>> difference.
> >>>
> >>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Jeff DeWitt
> >>




--
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=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?= 12-09-2007 07:00 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:10:55 -0800, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg



> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released


And why couldn't you fix it?


> Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.


Because you say so?

I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
and he's living in our current decade as well.

Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.



> Goat Bless America, Bill O-KIA-O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> > fork rides on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >
>> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> >> broke.
>> >>
>> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>> >>
>> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>> >>
>> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>> >>
>> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> >> little funny.
>> >>
>> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> >> difference.
>> >>
>> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> >> suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >
>> >


--
The only bush I've ever really wanted is George.

-- L.W.(Cooyon Billie) ------ v.3


=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?= 12-09-2007 07:00 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:10:55 -0800, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg



> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released


And why couldn't you fix it?


> Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.


Because you say so?

I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
and he's living in our current decade as well.

Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.



> Goat Bless America, Bill O-KIA-O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> > fork rides on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >
>> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> >> broke.
>> >>
>> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>> >>
>> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>> >>
>> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>> >>
>> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> >> little funny.
>> >>
>> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> >> difference.
>> >>
>> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> >> suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >
>> >


--
The only bush I've ever really wanted is George.

-- L.W.(Cooyon Billie) ------ v.3


Jeff DeWitt 12-09-2007 07:22 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>>the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>>stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>>shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>>felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>>it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>>It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>>>fork rides on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>>>>it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>>>>and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>>>>Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>>>>plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>>>>broke.
>>>>
>>>>So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>>
>>>>This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>>
>>>>I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>>>that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>>
>>>>Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>>>won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>>>>little funny.
>>>>
>>>>I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>>>leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>>>>tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>>>This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>>>suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>

>
>
>
>

OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.

I HATE problems that show up with no warning!

Thanks,

Jeff DeWitt


Jeff DeWitt 12-09-2007 07:22 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>>the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>>stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>>shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>>felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>>it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>>It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>>>fork rides on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>>>>it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>>>>and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>>>>Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>>>>plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>>>>broke.
>>>>
>>>>So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>>
>>>>This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>>
>>>>I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>>>that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>>
>>>>Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>>>won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>>>>little funny.
>>>>
>>>>I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>>>leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>>>>tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>>>This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>>>suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>

>
>
>
>

OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.

I HATE problems that show up with no warning!

Thanks,

Jeff DeWitt


Jeff Strickland 12-09-2007 07:27 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>

> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard?


Because it's broken.



Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again?


Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.



And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?

Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...








Jeff Strickland 12-09-2007 07:27 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>

> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard?


Because it's broken.



Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again?


Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.



And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?

Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...








JeffDeWitt 12-09-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
On Dec 9, 7:27 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> > the clutch pedal so hard?

>
> Because it's broken.
>
> Why did it feel normal once it started moving
>
> > again?

>
> Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.
>
> And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
>
> Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...


OK, is there some why I can double check this before getting the Jeep
towed to the shop?

JeffDeWitt 12-09-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
On Dec 9, 7:27 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> > the clutch pedal so hard?

>
> Because it's broken.
>
> Why did it feel normal once it started moving
>
> > again?

>
> Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.
>
> And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
>
> Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...


OK, is there some why I can double check this before getting the Jeep
towed to the shop?

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-09-2007 08:52 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
When the fork bends, you lose one half the leverage force from the pivot
on the other side: http://----------.com/temp/TJclutchFork.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
> The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.
>
> I HATE problems that show up with no warning!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-09-2007 08:52 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
When the fork bends, you lose one half the leverage force from the pivot
on the other side: http://----------.com/temp/TJclutchFork.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
> The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.
>
> I HATE problems that show up with no warning!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-09-2007 08:56 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
Totally lacking in common sense. You pathetic little schizophrenic
psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a
feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old
24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
http://network-tools.com/default.asp...=24.80.200.127
"The IP address from which you have visited register.com has been
temporarily blocked due to its association with excessive queries on our
system. Register.com has blocked this IP address in order to prevent any
adverse impact to our systems which could prevent other WHOIS requests from
being properly processed."
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and
pornography in an original post, coward.
I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a
girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.09.21.01.48.281610@trepanation.ca lm...
>
> And why couldn't you fix it?
>
>
>
> Because you say so?
>
> I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
> and he's living in our current decade as well.
>
> Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.
>
>
>
>





L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-09-2007 08:56 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
Totally lacking in common sense. You pathetic little schizophrenic
psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a
feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old
24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
http://network-tools.com/default.asp...=24.80.200.127
"The IP address from which you have visited register.com has been
temporarily blocked due to its association with excessive queries on our
system. Register.com has blocked this IP address in order to prevent any
adverse impact to our systems which could prevent other WHOIS requests from
being properly processed."
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and
pornography in an original post, coward.
I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a
girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.09.21.01.48.281610@trepanation.ca lm...
>
> And why couldn't you fix it?
>
>
>
> Because you say so?
>
> I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
> and he's living in our current decade as well.
>
> Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.
>
>
>
>





=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?= 12-09-2007 09:46 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:56:58 -0800, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
> dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
> S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
> killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
> s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net who's only way to get attention is to
> make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
> school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
> responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
> where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
> perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
> documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
> surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
> many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
> little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
> me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
> you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
> statement like a man.
> That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
> the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
> psychopath forged up names?
> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
> paragraphs it fits so well!
> But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
> security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
> admin@cox.net for forgery.
> Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
> posted on an auto picture group at:
> news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
> I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
> but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
> Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
> that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
> United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
> too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
> it, so keep the f*ck out!
> Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
> YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
> someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
> with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
> Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
> YOU NEED HELP!
> The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
> You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
> anything.
> Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
> and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
> arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
> shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
> intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
> Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
> email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
> Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
> Totally lacking in common sense. You pathetic little schizophrenic
> psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a
> feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
> And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
> pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
> Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
> alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
> really are!!!!!
> God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
> following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
> gibberish/babbling
> Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old
> 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
> http://network-tools.com/default.asp...=24.80.200.127
> "The IP address from which you have visited register.com has been
> temporarily blocked due to its association with excessive queries on our
> system. Register.com has blocked this IP address in order to prevent any
> adverse impact to our systems which could prevent other WHOIS requests from
> being properly processed."
> Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and
> pornography in an original post, coward.
> I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
> as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
> You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a
> girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
> <ROTFLMAO>
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com



You lose.


>
>
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.12.09.21.01.48.281610@trepanation.ca lm...
>>
>> And why couldn't you fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because you say so?
>>
>> I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
>> and he's living in our current decade as well.
>>
>> Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.
>>
>>
>>
>>


--
The only bush I've ever really wanted is George.

-- L.W.(Cooyon Billie) ------ v.3


=?iso-8859-1?q?Pink_Freud=A9=AE?= 12-09-2007 09:46 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:56:58 -0800, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
> dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
> S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
> killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
> s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net who's only way to get attention is to
> make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
> school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
> responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
> where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
> perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
> documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
> surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
> many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
> little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
> me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
> you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
> statement like a man.
> That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
> the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
> psychopath forged up names?
> You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
> paragraphs it fits so well!
> But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
> security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
> admin@cox.net for forgery.
> Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
> posted on an auto picture group at:
> news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
> I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
> but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
> Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
> that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
> United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
> too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
> it, so keep the f*ck out!
> Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
> YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
> someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
> with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
> Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
> YOU NEED HELP!
> The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
> You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
> anything.
> Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
> and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
> arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
> shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
> intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
> Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
> email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
> Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
> Totally lacking in common sense. You pathetic little schizophrenic
> psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a
> feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
> And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
> pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
> Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
> alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
> really are!!!!!
> God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
> following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
> gibberish/babbling
> Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old
> 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
> http://network-tools.com/default.asp...=24.80.200.127
> "The IP address from which you have visited register.com has been
> temporarily blocked due to its association with excessive queries on our
> system. Register.com has blocked this IP address in order to prevent any
> adverse impact to our systems which could prevent other WHOIS requests from
> being properly processed."
> Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and
> pornography in an original post, coward.
> I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
> as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
> You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a
> girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
> <ROTFLMAO>
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com



You lose.


>
>
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.12.09.21.01.48.281610@trepanation.ca lm...
>>
>> And why couldn't you fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because you say so?
>>
>> I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
>> and he's living in our current decade as well.
>>
>> Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.
>>
>>
>>
>>


--
The only bush I've ever really wanted is George.

-- L.W.(Cooyon Billie) ------ v.3


L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-10-2007 01:31 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
Totally lacking in common sense. You pathetic little schizophrenic
psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a
feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a
girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old
24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
http://network-tools.com/default.asp...=24.80.200.127
"The IP address from which you have visited register.com has been
temporarily blocked due to its association with excessive queries on our
system. Register.com has blocked this IP address in order to prevent any
adverse impact to our systems which could prevent other WHOIS requests from
being properly processed."
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and
pornography in an original post, coward.
I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a coward.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.09.23.47.51.68058@trepanation.cal m...
>
>
> You lose.
>
>
>




L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III 12-10-2007 01:31 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their -----, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a ---------. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email -------------------- or LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
Totally lacking in common sense. You pathetic little schizophrenic
psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a
feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a
girlie, ------ writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old
24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
http://network-tools.com/default.asp...=24.80.200.127
"The IP address from which you have visited register.com has been
temporarily blocked due to its association with excessive queries on our
system. Register.com has blocked this IP address in order to prevent any
adverse impact to our systems which could prevent other WHOIS requests from
being properly processed."
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and
pornography in an original post, coward.
I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a coward.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.09.23.47.51.68058@trepanation.cal m...
>
>
> You lose.
>
>
>




Mike Romain 12-10-2007 10:48 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
JeffDeWitt wrote:
> On Dec 9, 7:27 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
>>> the clutch pedal so hard?

>> Because it's broken.
>>
>> Why did it feel normal once it started moving
>>
>>> again?

>> Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.
>>
>> And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
>>
>> Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...

>
> OK, is there some why I can double check this before getting the Jeep
> towed to the shop?


You need to verify that the slave cylinder is moving under load and
moving the clutch fork at the same time. If the fork is bent, it won't
be moving much. If the fork moves 'free' by hand, it is broke. If the
slave moves all the way and takes the fork with it, then you have
internal issues.

Mine got really hard, then up and failed. In my case it was a failed
pressure plate because of a bad tranny front bearing retainer. My
linkage would move, my fork would move, but no neutral.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

Mike Romain 12-10-2007 10:48 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
JeffDeWitt wrote:
> On Dec 9, 7:27 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
>>> the clutch pedal so hard?

>> Because it's broken.
>>
>> Why did it feel normal once it started moving
>>
>>> again?

>> Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.
>>
>> And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
>>
>> Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...

>
> OK, is there some why I can double check this before getting the Jeep
> towed to the shop?


You need to verify that the slave cylinder is moving under load and
moving the clutch fork at the same time. If the fork is bent, it won't
be moving much. If the fork moves 'free' by hand, it is broke. If the
slave moves all the way and takes the fork with it, then you have
internal issues.

Mine got really hard, then up and failed. In my case it was a failed
pressure plate because of a bad tranny front bearing retainer. My
linkage would move, my fork would move, but no neutral.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

Jeff DeWitt 12-10-2007 09:09 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
OK, thanks everyone.

I've ordered the OEM MC/Slave setup, the slave is the original one (no
telling how many strokes it's had in 350,000 miles), and I may have
striped the threads on the bleeder. Plus the connector on the MC end
was slightly corroded like moisture had gotten in there.

So the hydraulic system will all be new and good.

If it works great, if it doesn't I'll get it hauled in, in either case
I'll let you folks know what happens.

Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.

Jeff DeWitt


Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
> funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt


Jeff DeWitt 12-10-2007 09:09 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
OK, thanks everyone.

I've ordered the OEM MC/Slave setup, the slave is the original one (no
telling how many strokes it's had in 350,000 miles), and I may have
striped the threads on the bleeder. Plus the connector on the MC end
was slightly corroded like moisture had gotten in there.

So the hydraulic system will all be new and good.

If it works great, if it doesn't I'll get it hauled in, in either case
I'll let you folks know what happens.

Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.

Jeff DeWitt


Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
> funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt


Mike Romain 12-11-2007 10:52 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>


Glutton for punishment eh?

When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
systems fail, you fix them....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

Mike Romain 12-11-2007 10:52 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>


Glutton for punishment eh?

When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
systems fail, you fix them....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

Earle Horton 12-11-2007 11:23 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:475e6a9c$0$5226$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ pickup
>> to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep parts to
>> play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>

>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
>

When hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you get a tow, urinate in the master
cylinder or shift without clutching. Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?

Cheers,

Earle




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Earle Horton 12-11-2007 11:23 AM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:475e6a9c$0$5226$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ pickup
>> to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep parts to
>> play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>

>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
>

When hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you get a tow, urinate in the master
cylinder or shift without clutching. Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?

Cheers,

Earle




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Mike Romain 12-11-2007 12:03 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Earle Horton wrote:

> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?


As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer too!

I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a U-turn
in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake saved
the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through his door.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

Mike Romain 12-11-2007 12:03 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Earle Horton wrote:

> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?


As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer too!

I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a U-turn
in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake saved
the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through his door.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

J. Clarke 12-11-2007 12:20 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Mike Romain wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?

>
> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
> too!
>
> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
> U-turn
> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
> saved
> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
> his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com


If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
problem besides the blown brake line.

Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
split system then never mind.

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--John
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J. Clarke 12-11-2007 12:20 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
Mike Romain wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?

>
> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
> too!
>
> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
> U-turn
> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
> saved
> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
> his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com


If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
problem besides the blown brake line.

Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
split system then never mind.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)



Mike Romain 12-11-2007 01:10 PM

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 
J. Clarke wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?

>> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
>> too!
>>
>> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
>> U-turn
>> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
>> saved
>> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
>> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
>> his door.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

>
> If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
> no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
> It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
> with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
> problem besides the blown brake line.
>
> Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
> split system then never mind.
>


The 86 CJ7 master is only a dual system, either both fronts or both
rears, no splits. My old Volvos and Rovers had splits like you mention
but needed dual calipers on front to do it.

It worked the rear brakes on the next pedal pump, then the center seal
in the 8 year old rebuilt MC went out and the pedal hit the floor on
subsequent pumps.

Didn't have time for more than one extra pump anyway, the second foot
hit the e-brake for the third pump....

Mike


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