Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

Agreed. I replaced a clutch once for a customer that described
something like this. By the time he got done having his internal clutch
problems he had a bent master cylinder push rod too. :o(

Cheers,

Earle

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Iu_6j.10414$OR.9154@trnddc01...
> You have just described, again, what I might expect when the clutch
fork or
> the pivot takes a bye.
>
> I know it sucks, but I think you have problems inside the bellhousing.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
the
> >first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
stuck
> >again. Plus there still would have been some give as since shortly
after
> >the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch felt a little
soft,
> >as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When it stuck it felt
> >solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that
the
> >> fork rides on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>
> >>> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in
and it
> >>> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at
it and
> >>> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
Didn't
> >>> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
plastic
> >>> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
broke.
> >>>
> >>> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
> >>>
> >>> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
> >>>
> >>> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything
apparent
> >>> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
> >>>
> >>> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch
still
> >>> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
little
> >>> funny.
> >>>
> >>> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell
(no
> >>> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
tried
> >>> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
> >>> difference.
> >>>
> >>> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Jeff DeWitt
> >>



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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:10:55 -0800, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg


> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released

And why couldn't you fix it?


> Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.

Because you say so?

I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
and he's living in our current decade as well.

Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.



> Goat Bless America, Bill O-KIA-O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> > fork rides on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >
>> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> >> broke.
>> >>
>> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>> >>
>> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>> >>
>> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>> >>
>> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> >> little funny.
>> >>
>> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> >> difference.
>> >>
>> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> >> suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >
>> >

--
The only bush I've ever really wanted is George.

-- L.W.(Cooyon Billie) ------ v.3

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:10:55 -0800, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg


> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released

And why couldn't you fix it?


> Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.

Because you say so?

I think Mr. Romain has a better handle on jeepery than you do by far --
and he's living in our current decade as well.

Stick to what you know, Billie. Like eating and being a fat slob.



> Goat Bless America, Bill O-KIA-O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>> the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>> stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>> shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>> felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>> it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> > It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>> > fork rides on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >
>> >> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>> >> it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>> >> and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>> >> Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>> >> plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>> >> broke.
>> >>
>> >> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>> >>
>> >> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>> >>
>> >> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>> >> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>> >>
>> >> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>> >> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>> >> little funny.
>> >>
>> >> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>> >> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>> >> tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>> >> difference.
>> >>
>> >> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>> >> suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Jeff DeWitt
>> >
>> >

--
The only bush I've ever really wanted is George.

-- L.W.(Cooyon Billie) ------ v.3

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>>the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>>stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>>shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>>felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>>it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>>It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>>>fork rides on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>>>>it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>>>>and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>>>>Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>>>>plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>>>>broke.
>>>>
>>>>So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>>
>>>>This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>>
>>>>I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>>>that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>>
>>>>Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>>>won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>>>>little funny.
>>>>
>>>>I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>>>leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>>>>tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>>>This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>>>suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.

I HATE problems that show up with no warning!

Thanks,

Jeff DeWitt

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
> That Mickey Mouse fork has bent many times, like Jeff said. With the
> symptoms you describe: http://----------.com/temp/TJfork4.jpg
> I've had a disk dampener spring fall out and into the pressure plate,
> but once jammed would never released. Mike Romain, has worn a notch in the
> throughout bearing sleeve, that would a occasionally hang. It's got to come
> apart.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
>
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:475c6fd6$0$8842$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>I appreciate the suggestion but it doesn't fit the symptoms. Remember
>>the first time it stuck it came free and the clutch felt normal until it
>>stuck again. Plus there still would have been some give as since
>>shortly after the last time I replaced the master cylinder the clutch
>>felt a little soft, as if there was just a bit of air in the line. When
>>it stuck it felt solid, like something was blocking the pedal.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>>It sounds to me as though you've broken the fork or the pivot that the
>>>fork rides on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:475c5451$0$2311$4c368faf@roadrunner.com. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and
>>>>it was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it
>>>>and it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal.
>>>>Didn't last though, this happened two or three more times and then the
>>>>plastic clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal
>>>>broke.
>>>>
>>>>So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>>>>
>>>>This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>>>>
>>>>I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
>>>>that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>>>>
>>>>Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
>>>>won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a
>>>>little funny.
>>>>
>>>>I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
>>>>leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also
>>>>tried bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any
>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>>>This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
>>>>suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.

I HATE problems that show up with no warning!

Thanks,

Jeff DeWitt

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard?

Because it's broken.



Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again?

Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.



And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?

Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard?

Because it's broken.



Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again?

Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.



And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?

Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

On Dec 9, 7:27 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> > the clutch pedal so hard?
>
> Because it's broken.
>
> Why did it feel normal once it started moving
>
> > again?
>
> Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.
>
> And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
>
> Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...

OK, is there some why I can double check this before getting the Jeep
towed to the shop?

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

On Dec 9, 7:27 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> > the clutch pedal so hard?
>
> Because it's broken.
>
> Why did it feel normal once it started moving
>
> > again?
>
> Because the broken part moved out of the way, then back in the way again.
>
> And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
>
> Lots of Jeep stuff breaks like that. You should know _that_ by now ...

OK, is there some why I can double check this before getting the Jeep
towed to the shop?

Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
 

When the fork bends, you lose one half the leverage force from the pivot
on the other side: http://----------.com/temp/TJclutchFork.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:----------@----------.com


"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:475c86c0$0$2362$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
> OK, if that's the problem than that's the problem, but if it is why was
> the clutch pedal so hard? Why did it feel normal once it started moving
> again? And what would make it fail like that with no warning at all?
> The Jeep was working normally right up until the clutch pedal got hard.
>
> I HATE problems that show up with no warning!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>