Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
12-10-2007, 09:09 PM
#31
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
OK, thanks everyone.
I've ordered the OEM MC/Slave setup, the slave is the original one (no
telling how many strokes it's had in 350,000 miles), and I may have
striped the threads on the bleeder. Plus the connector on the MC end
was slightly corroded like moisture had gotten in there.
So the hydraulic system will all be new and good.
If it works great, if it doesn't I'll get it hauled in, in either case
I'll let you folks know what happens.
Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
Jeff DeWitt
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
> funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
I've ordered the OEM MC/Slave setup, the slave is the original one (no
telling how many strokes it's had in 350,000 miles), and I may have
striped the threads on the bleeder. Plus the connector on the MC end
was slightly corroded like moisture had gotten in there.
So the hydraulic system will all be new and good.
If it works great, if it doesn't I'll get it hauled in, in either case
I'll let you folks know what happens.
Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
Jeff DeWitt
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> One day last week I was driving along, went to put the clutch in and it
> was HARD, like a dead pedal, no give at all. I kept stabbing at it and
> it finally got past whatever was holding it and felt normal. Didn't
> last though, this happened two or three more times and then the plastic
> clip that holds the clutch master cylinder shaft to the pedal broke.
>
> So I got it towed home (second time in 350,000 miles!).
>
> This is my 96 Cherokee, 4.0, 5 speed.
>
> I replaced the clutch master cylinder, there wasn't anything apparent
> that might have caused the jam, and it seemed to work OK by hand.
>
> Now I've got a new (better) master cylinder in but the clutch still
> won't release. The pedal works (no sign of the jam), but feels a little
> funny.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and it seems OK from what I can tell (no
> leaks, and the rod moves when the clutch pedal is pressed. I also tried
> bleeding it with the set screw but that didn't seem to make any difference.
>
> This is my daily driver and I need to fix it like yesterday, any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
12-11-2007, 10:52 AM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
Glutton for punishment eh?
When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
systems fail, you fix them....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
Glutton for punishment eh?
When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
systems fail, you fix them....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
12-11-2007, 10:52 AM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
Glutton for punishment eh?
When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
systems fail, you fix them....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ
> pickup to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep
> parts to play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
Glutton for punishment eh?
When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
systems fail, you fix them....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
12-11-2007, 11:23 AM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ pickup
>> to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep parts to
>> play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
>
When hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you get a tow, urinate in the master
cylinder or shift without clutching. Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
Cheers,
Earle
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> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ pickup
>> to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep parts to
>> play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
>
When hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you get a tow, urinate in the master
cylinder or shift without clutching. Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
Cheers,
Earle
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12-11-2007, 11:23 AM
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ pickup
>> to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep parts to
>> play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
>
When hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you get a tow, urinate in the master
cylinder or shift without clutching. Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
Cheers,
Earle
--
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news:475e6a9c$0$5226$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm thinking of another project, converting a Studebaker Champ pickup
>> to a hydraulic clutch, after all I've got some parts to Jeep parts to
>> play with and it doesn't look like it would be that complicated.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>
> Glutton for punishment eh?
>
> When Hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you are stuck, when mechanical
> systems fail, you fix them....
>
When hydraulic systems fail on a trail, you get a tow, urinate in the master
cylinder or shift without clutching. Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
Cheers,
Earle
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12-11-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Earle Horton wrote:
> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer too!
I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a U-turn
in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake saved
the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through his door.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer too!
I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a U-turn
in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake saved
the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through his door.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
12-11-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Earle Horton wrote:
> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer too!
I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a U-turn
in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake saved
the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through his door.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer too!
I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a U-turn
in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake saved
the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through his door.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
12-11-2007, 12:20 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
Mike Romain wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>
> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
> too!
>
> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
> U-turn
> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
> saved
> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
> his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
problem besides the blown brake line.
Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
split system then never mind.
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>
> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
> too!
>
> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
> U-turn
> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
> saved
> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
> his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
problem besides the blown brake line.
Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
split system then never mind.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
12-11-2007, 12:20 PM
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Mike Romain wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>
> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
> too!
>
> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
> U-turn
> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
> saved
> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
> his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
problem besides the blown brake line.
Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
split system then never mind.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>
> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
> too!
>
> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
> U-turn
> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
> saved
> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
> his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
problem besides the blown brake line.
Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
split system then never mind.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
12-11-2007, 01:10 PM
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Re: Clutch linkage problems - HELP!
J. Clarke wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
>> too!
>>
>> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
>> U-turn
>> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
>> saved
>> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
>> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
>> his door.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
> If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
> no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
> It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
> with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
> problem besides the blown brake line.
>
> Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
> split system then never mind.
>
The 86 CJ7 master is only a dual system, either both fronts or both
rears, no splits. My old Volvos and Rovers had splits like you mention
but needed dual calipers on front to do it.
It worked the rear brakes on the next pedal pump, then the center seal
in the 8 year old rebuilt MC went out and the pedal hit the floor on
subsequent pumps.
Didn't have time for more than one extra pump anyway, the second foot
hit the e-brake for the third pump....
Mike
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> Does your Jeep have mechanical brakes?
>> As a matter of fact. 'Yes' it does and I needed them last summer
>> too!
>>
>> I blew a front brake line in a panic stop when some fool pulled a
>> U-turn
>> in front of me on a 40 mph road. My 'mechanical' emergency brake
>> saved
>> the day or at least the early demise of some old fart I was about to
>> push sideways into the next life when my Warn HS9000i came through
>> his door.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
>> Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
> If that's a a US spec '86 that you blew the brake line on and you had
> no brakes at all after then you should check your system thoroughly.
> It should have a split system that works one front and both rears even
> with a failed brake line. If you lost them all then you may another
> problem besides the blown brake line.
>
> Of course if it's not US spec or if you've intentionally removed the
> split system then never mind.
>
The 86 CJ7 master is only a dual system, either both fronts or both
rears, no splits. My old Volvos and Rovers had splits like you mention
but needed dual calipers on front to do it.
It worked the rear brakes on the next pedal pump, then the center seal
in the 8 year old rebuilt MC went out and the pedal hit the floor on
subsequent pumps.
Didn't have time for more than one extra pump anyway, the second foot
hit the e-brake for the third pump....
Mike
