Bob Casanova

On 25 Jul 2006 06:31:22 -0700, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by
lilgrasshopper@gmail.com:

"Pain In The...Anatomy"

>Taking it to Cottman Trans tomorrow, I will let you guys know if they
>found anything.
>
>pita factor?
>
>
>Lon wrote:
>> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
>> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
>> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
>> from the FSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
>> > Hi guys:
>> >
>> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
>> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
>> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
>> > Shilman? Shulman?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Roosevelt, NJ
>> >
>> >
>> > DougW wrote:
>> >
>> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
>> >>
>> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
>> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
>> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
>> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
>> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
>> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
>> >>
>> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
>> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
>> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
>> >>taking off.
>> >>
>> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
>> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
>> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
>> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
>> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
>> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>DougW
>> >
>> >
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

lilgrasshopper@gmail.com

went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.


Lon wrote:
> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
> from the FSM.
>
>
>
> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
> > Hi guys:
> >
> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
> > Shilman? Shulman?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Roosevelt, NJ
> >
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >
> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
> >>
> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
> >>
> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
> >>taking off.
> >>
> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
> >>
> >>--
> >>DougW
> >
> >

lilgrasshopper@gmail.com

went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.


Lon wrote:
> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
> from the FSM.
>
>
>
> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
> > Hi guys:
> >
> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
> > Shilman? Shulman?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Roosevelt, NJ
> >
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >
> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
> >>
> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
> >>
> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
> >>taking off.
> >>
> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
> >>
> >>--
> >>DougW
> >
> >

lilgrasshopper@gmail.com

went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.


Lon wrote:
> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
> from the FSM.
>
>
>
> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
> > Hi guys:
> >
> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
> > Shilman? Shulman?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Roosevelt, NJ
> >
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >
> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
> >>
> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
> >>
> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
> >>taking off.
> >>
> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
> >>
> >>--
> >>DougW
> >
> >

lilgrasshopper@gmail.com

went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.


Lon wrote:
> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
> from the FSM.
>
>
>
> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
> > Hi guys:
> >
> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
> > Shilman? Shulman?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Roosevelt, NJ
> >
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >
> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
> >>
> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
> >>
> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
> >>taking off.
> >>
> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
> >>
> >>--
> >>DougW
> >
> >

billy ray

Did you go with them on the test drive?

<lilgrasshopper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153962515.352420.27840@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
> went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
> they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
>> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
>> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
>> from the FSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
>> > Hi guys:
>> >
>> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
>> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
>> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
>> > Shilman? Shulman?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Roosevelt, NJ
>> >
>> >
>> > DougW wrote:
>> >
>> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
>> >>
>> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
>> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
>> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
>> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
>> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
>> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
>> >>
>> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
>> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
>> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
>> >>taking off.
>> >>
>> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
>> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
>> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
>> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
>> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
>> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>DougW
>> >
>> >
>

billy ray

Did you go with them on the test drive?

<lilgrasshopper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153962515.352420.27840@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
> went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
> they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
>> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
>> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
>> from the FSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
>> > Hi guys:
>> >
>> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
>> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
>> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
>> > Shilman? Shulman?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Roosevelt, NJ
>> >
>> >
>> > DougW wrote:
>> >
>> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
>> >>
>> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
>> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
>> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
>> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
>> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
>> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
>> >>
>> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
>> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
>> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
>> >>taking off.
>> >>
>> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
>> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
>> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
>> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
>> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
>> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>DougW
>> >
>> >
>

billy ray

Did you go with them on the test drive?

<lilgrasshopper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153962515.352420.27840@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
> went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
> they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
>> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
>> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
>> from the FSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
>> > Hi guys:
>> >
>> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
>> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
>> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
>> > Shilman? Shulman?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Roosevelt, NJ
>> >
>> >
>> > DougW wrote:
>> >
>> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
>> >>
>> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
>> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
>> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
>> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
>> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
>> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
>> >>
>> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
>> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
>> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
>> >>taking off.
>> >>
>> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
>> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
>> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
>> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
>> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
>> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>DougW
>> >
>> >
>

billy ray

Did you go with them on the test drive?

<lilgrasshopper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153962515.352420.27840@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
> went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
> they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
>> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
>> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
>> from the FSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
>> > Hi guys:
>> >
>> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
>> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
>> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
>> > Shilman? Shulman?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Roosevelt, NJ
>> >
>> >
>> > DougW wrote:
>> >
>> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
>> >>
>> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
>> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
>> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
>> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
>> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
>> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
>> >>
>> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
>> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
>> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
>> >>taking off.
>> >>
>> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
>> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
>> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
>> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
>> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
>> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>DougW
>> >
>> >
>

lilgrasshopper@gmail.com

Hi Billy Ray!

I did not but I know if I did, the same result would happen: NOTHING.

They said they checked everything and as far as trans is concerned,
they are in the clear, goodbye, have a nice day. Maybe the guy that
changed your radiator left a wrench in there. (he was joking?? )


I drove there and everything was fine. I would have to do an hour plus
drive on highway, then get stuck in stop and go traffic.

Maybe the coolant line to the tranny (I'm getting the lingo down now!)
is blocked? I might do a flush this weekend. comments?

-John

billy ray wrote:
> Did you go with them on the test drive?
>
> <lilgrasshopper@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153962515.352420.27840@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
> > went to cottman. they said everything related to trans is working fine.
> > they could not replicate the problem, have a nice day.
> >
> >
> > Lon wrote:
> >> If you pretty much know cars, the factory service manual is the best, in
> >> that it explains how each of the systems works, plus how to perform
> >> simple and complex checks. You can usually guesstimate the pita factor
> >> from the FSM.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> lilgrasshopper@gmail.com proclaimed:
> >> > Hi guys:
> >> >
> >> > What's a good book for cars? I know when it gets complicated like this,
> >> > take it to the shop, turn around and bend down but I'd like to read and
> >> > see how things work. (I work as a network Admin at my corp. inc).
> >> > Shilman? Shulman?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > John,
> >> >
> >> > Roosevelt, NJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > DougW wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>lilgrasshopper@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Hi all,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I have a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee from hell.
> >> >>
> >> >>>I can drive on the highway all day and nothing bad will happen but
> >> >>>once I get into stop and go traffic, like today, on a hot day, I
> >> >>>would start to hear some clanking, then it would get louder, like
> >> >>>something spinning and hitting something else. If I press on the gas
> >> >>>pedal to go faster, the clanking sound would be faster, more frequent
> >> >>>so I am thinking it has something to do with something spinning while
> >> >>
> >> >>I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like a bad rear mains bearing.
> >> >>They usually make a bad clank/grind noise when the engine is under load
> >> >>(like pulling a trailer) but eventually will make that noise even when
> >> >>taking off.
> >> >>
> >> >>Get yourself a big flat screwdriver or small pry bar. From under
> >> >>the engine see how far the harmonic balancer will pry forward from the
> >> >>engine and go back into the engine. It shouldn't move more than about
> >> >>1/8" max. If it moves 1/4 like mine did way back when, then it's time
> >> >>for a shortblock. Do not pry hard.. and pry against the inner ring on
> >> >>the balancer. If it's going to move it will move easily.
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>DougW
> >> >
> >> >
> >