Snow

"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
> they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong. I
> know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
> these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
> know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
them
> to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
"we
> measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head gasket
> or failed hard part."

Only problem with some stealerships is that they will pass this vehicle off
to the "new guy", who many times is not all that experienced with the 4.0 ,
yes he knows how to change the spark plugs, change the oil and stuff like
that. You need to talk to your local service manager and see if the stealer
has a dedicated "jeep guy". Stealership I used to go to had one of the best
around, he would also lend out his jeep if the situation dictated so he
could drive the customers jeep and pin point the problem. Too bad the new
service manager didn't realize what he had before he let the gent go.

Snow...

Snow

"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
> they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong. I
> know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
> these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
> know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
them
> to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
"we
> measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head gasket
> or failed hard part."

Only problem with some stealerships is that they will pass this vehicle off
to the "new guy", who many times is not all that experienced with the 4.0 ,
yes he knows how to change the spark plugs, change the oil and stuff like
that. You need to talk to your local service manager and see if the stealer
has a dedicated "jeep guy". Stealership I used to go to had one of the best
around, he would also lend out his jeep if the situation dictated so he
could drive the customers jeep and pin point the problem. Too bad the new
service manager didn't realize what he had before he let the gent go.

Snow...

Eric B

Doug,

Thanks so much for the response. This is one of the frustrating
moments in life where wish you knew more about _____<insert topic
here>__.

> 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
I'll take a look this weekend. Although this may be a symptm more
than "the problem" because the car still overheats when there is
plenty of fluid.
I'll check the radiator when the car is cold ...wanna' keep the skin
i've got.


> 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
The radiator , hosess and water pump were just replace. They could be
leaking, i'll take a close look. Other than just before the radiator
was replaced i haven't seen what you described.

> 3) leak in the heater core
well i'm not sure if you meant the cabin of the car or the engine
compartment, but can't say i've experienced this in either place.

> 4) cracked head gasket
The mechanic said he check the head gasket and didn't find a crack.
I'm taking everything he said skeptically, so i will look for white
foam in the oil. But, the car defenitely does not pour white smoke.
Other than the stupid thing overheating, it looks, sounds and runs
pretty well.

> 5) leaky water pump
New water pump, but i'll try to find this weep hole and make sure its
dry.


> 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
Got suckered into a new radiator, so i hope no sludge was added to the
new radiator.


I'm hearing that this isn't a "just throw the car away" type of
problem. I'm going to go to a dealer near me (northern jersy) and pay
for diagnostics. And hope they can find something.

Thanks again for the help.
-eric


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:<oMw1c.25778$1k.12037@okepread01>...
> Eric B did pass the time by typing:
>
> > Am I getting hosed?
>
> Dunno.
>
> <a few thoughts>
>
> Coolant has to go somewhere.
>
> 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> . Jeep uses a closed system, overflow goes into
> the coolant bottle and gets sucked back in as
> the engine cools. A leak here or a broken bottle
> will slowly drain coolant. There should be no air
> in the radiator. It should be fully topped off and the
> overflow bottle should be filled to just above the low
> mark when the vehicle is cold.
>
> 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> . Usually easy to spot as a stream of water
> and lots of wet under the hood
>
> 3) leak in the heater core
> . this creates a swamp like situation inside
>
> 4) cracked head gasket
> . water gets into the engine oil, check the dipstick
> for white foam.
> . water gets into the engine and gets burned, check for
> white smoke when you drive. (very noticeable, much more
> than the white cloud you get when the engine warms up in
> the morning)
>
> 5) leaky water pump
> . This can be a slow leak or just a drip. feel around
> the water pump pulley there is a tiny weep hole. This should
> be dry.
>
> 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> If the last person put any of that "no leak" or junk-in-a-can
> into the coolant system the radiator might be plugged.

Eric B

Doug,

Thanks so much for the response. This is one of the frustrating
moments in life where wish you knew more about _____<insert topic
here>__.

> 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
I'll take a look this weekend. Although this may be a symptm more
than "the problem" because the car still overheats when there is
plenty of fluid.
I'll check the radiator when the car is cold ...wanna' keep the skin
i've got.


> 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
The radiator , hosess and water pump were just replace. They could be
leaking, i'll take a close look. Other than just before the radiator
was replaced i haven't seen what you described.

> 3) leak in the heater core
well i'm not sure if you meant the cabin of the car or the engine
compartment, but can't say i've experienced this in either place.

> 4) cracked head gasket
The mechanic said he check the head gasket and didn't find a crack.
I'm taking everything he said skeptically, so i will look for white
foam in the oil. But, the car defenitely does not pour white smoke.
Other than the stupid thing overheating, it looks, sounds and runs
pretty well.

> 5) leaky water pump
New water pump, but i'll try to find this weep hole and make sure its
dry.


> 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
Got suckered into a new radiator, so i hope no sludge was added to the
new radiator.


I'm hearing that this isn't a "just throw the car away" type of
problem. I'm going to go to a dealer near me (northern jersy) and pay
for diagnostics. And hope they can find something.

Thanks again for the help.
-eric


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:<oMw1c.25778$1k.12037@okepread01>...
> Eric B did pass the time by typing:
>
> > Am I getting hosed?
>
> Dunno.
>
> <a few thoughts>
>
> Coolant has to go somewhere.
>
> 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> . Jeep uses a closed system, overflow goes into
> the coolant bottle and gets sucked back in as
> the engine cools. A leak here or a broken bottle
> will slowly drain coolant. There should be no air
> in the radiator. It should be fully topped off and the
> overflow bottle should be filled to just above the low
> mark when the vehicle is cold.
>
> 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> . Usually easy to spot as a stream of water
> and lots of wet under the hood
>
> 3) leak in the heater core
> . this creates a swamp like situation inside
>
> 4) cracked head gasket
> . water gets into the engine oil, check the dipstick
> for white foam.
> . water gets into the engine and gets burned, check for
> white smoke when you drive. (very noticeable, much more
> than the white cloud you get when the engine warms up in
> the morning)
>
> 5) leaky water pump
> . This can be a slow leak or just a drip. feel around
> the water pump pulley there is a tiny weep hole. This should
> be dry.
>
> 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> If the last person put any of that "no leak" or junk-in-a-can
> into the coolant system the radiator might be plugged.

Eric B

Doug,

Thanks so much for the response. This is one of the frustrating
moments in life where wish you knew more about _____<insert topic
here>__.

> 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
I'll take a look this weekend. Although this may be a symptm more
than "the problem" because the car still overheats when there is
plenty of fluid.
I'll check the radiator when the car is cold ...wanna' keep the skin
i've got.


> 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
The radiator , hosess and water pump were just replace. They could be
leaking, i'll take a close look. Other than just before the radiator
was replaced i haven't seen what you described.

> 3) leak in the heater core
well i'm not sure if you meant the cabin of the car or the engine
compartment, but can't say i've experienced this in either place.

> 4) cracked head gasket
The mechanic said he check the head gasket and didn't find a crack.
I'm taking everything he said skeptically, so i will look for white
foam in the oil. But, the car defenitely does not pour white smoke.
Other than the stupid thing overheating, it looks, sounds and runs
pretty well.

> 5) leaky water pump
New water pump, but i'll try to find this weep hole and make sure its
dry.


> 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
Got suckered into a new radiator, so i hope no sludge was added to the
new radiator.


I'm hearing that this isn't a "just throw the car away" type of
problem. I'm going to go to a dealer near me (northern jersy) and pay
for diagnostics. And hope they can find something.

Thanks again for the help.
-eric


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:<oMw1c.25778$1k.12037@okepread01>...
> Eric B did pass the time by typing:
>
> > Am I getting hosed?
>
> Dunno.
>
> <a few thoughts>
>
> Coolant has to go somewhere.
>
> 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> . Jeep uses a closed system, overflow goes into
> the coolant bottle and gets sucked back in as
> the engine cools. A leak here or a broken bottle
> will slowly drain coolant. There should be no air
> in the radiator. It should be fully topped off and the
> overflow bottle should be filled to just above the low
> mark when the vehicle is cold.
>
> 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> . Usually easy to spot as a stream of water
> and lots of wet under the hood
>
> 3) leak in the heater core
> . this creates a swamp like situation inside
>
> 4) cracked head gasket
> . water gets into the engine oil, check the dipstick
> for white foam.
> . water gets into the engine and gets burned, check for
> white smoke when you drive. (very noticeable, much more
> than the white cloud you get when the engine warms up in
> the morning)
>
> 5) leaky water pump
> . This can be a slow leak or just a drip. feel around
> the water pump pulley there is a tiny weep hole. This should
> be dry.
>
> 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> If the last person put any of that "no leak" or junk-in-a-can
> into the coolant system the radiator might be plugged.

Mike Romain

Don't forget to check the clutch on the rad fan....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Eric B wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> Thanks so much for the response. This is one of the frustrating
> moments in life where wish you knew more about _____<insert topic
> here>__.
>
> > 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> I'll take a look this weekend. Although this may be a symptm more
> than "the problem" because the car still overheats when there is
> plenty of fluid.
> I'll check the radiator when the car is cold ...wanna' keep the skin
> i've got.
>
> > 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> The radiator , hosess and water pump were just replace. They could be
> leaking, i'll take a close look. Other than just before the radiator
> was replaced i haven't seen what you described.
>
> > 3) leak in the heater core
> well i'm not sure if you meant the cabin of the car or the engine
> compartment, but can't say i've experienced this in either place.
>
> > 4) cracked head gasket
> The mechanic said he check the head gasket and didn't find a crack.
> I'm taking everything he said skeptically, so i will look for white
> foam in the oil. But, the car defenitely does not pour white smoke.
> Other than the stupid thing overheating, it looks, sounds and runs
> pretty well.
>
> > 5) leaky water pump
> New water pump, but i'll try to find this weep hole and make sure its
> dry.
>
>
> > 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> Got suckered into a new radiator, so i hope no sludge was added to the
> new radiator.
>
> I'm hearing that this isn't a "just throw the car away" type of
> problem. I'm going to go to a dealer near me (northern jersy) and pay
> for diagnostics. And hope they can find something.
>
> Thanks again for the help.
> -eric
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:<oMw1c.25778$1k.12037@okepread01>...
> > Eric B did pass the time by typing:
> >
> > > Am I getting hosed?
> >
> > Dunno.
> >
> > <a few thoughts>
> >
> > Coolant has to go somewhere.
> >
> > 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> > . Jeep uses a closed system, overflow goes into
> > the coolant bottle and gets sucked back in as
> > the engine cools. A leak here or a broken bottle
> > will slowly drain coolant. There should be no air
> > in the radiator. It should be fully topped off and the
> > overflow bottle should be filled to just above the low
> > mark when the vehicle is cold.
> >
> > 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> > . Usually easy to spot as a stream of water
> > and lots of wet under the hood
> >
> > 3) leak in the heater core
> > . this creates a swamp like situation inside
> >
> > 4) cracked head gasket
> > . water gets into the engine oil, check the dipstick
> > for white foam.
> > . water gets into the engine and gets burned, check for
> > white smoke when you drive. (very noticeable, much more
> > than the white cloud you get when the engine warms up in
> > the morning)
> >
> > 5) leaky water pump
> > . This can be a slow leak or just a drip. feel around
> > the water pump pulley there is a tiny weep hole. This should
> > be dry.
> >
> > 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> > If the last person put any of that "no leak" or junk-in-a-can
> > into the coolant system the radiator might be plugged.

Mike Romain

Don't forget to check the clutch on the rad fan....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Eric B wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> Thanks so much for the response. This is one of the frustrating
> moments in life where wish you knew more about _____<insert topic
> here>__.
>
> > 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> I'll take a look this weekend. Although this may be a symptm more
> than "the problem" because the car still overheats when there is
> plenty of fluid.
> I'll check the radiator when the car is cold ...wanna' keep the skin
> i've got.
>
> > 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> The radiator , hosess and water pump were just replace. They could be
> leaking, i'll take a close look. Other than just before the radiator
> was replaced i haven't seen what you described.
>
> > 3) leak in the heater core
> well i'm not sure if you meant the cabin of the car or the engine
> compartment, but can't say i've experienced this in either place.
>
> > 4) cracked head gasket
> The mechanic said he check the head gasket and didn't find a crack.
> I'm taking everything he said skeptically, so i will look for white
> foam in the oil. But, the car defenitely does not pour white smoke.
> Other than the stupid thing overheating, it looks, sounds and runs
> pretty well.
>
> > 5) leaky water pump
> New water pump, but i'll try to find this weep hole and make sure its
> dry.
>
>
> > 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> Got suckered into a new radiator, so i hope no sludge was added to the
> new radiator.
>
> I'm hearing that this isn't a "just throw the car away" type of
> problem. I'm going to go to a dealer near me (northern jersy) and pay
> for diagnostics. And hope they can find something.
>
> Thanks again for the help.
> -eric
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:<oMw1c.25778$1k.12037@okepread01>...
> > Eric B did pass the time by typing:
> >
> > > Am I getting hosed?
> >
> > Dunno.
> >
> > <a few thoughts>
> >
> > Coolant has to go somewhere.
> >
> > 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> > . Jeep uses a closed system, overflow goes into
> > the coolant bottle and gets sucked back in as
> > the engine cools. A leak here or a broken bottle
> > will slowly drain coolant. There should be no air
> > in the radiator. It should be fully topped off and the
> > overflow bottle should be filled to just above the low
> > mark when the vehicle is cold.
> >
> > 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> > . Usually easy to spot as a stream of water
> > and lots of wet under the hood
> >
> > 3) leak in the heater core
> > . this creates a swamp like situation inside
> >
> > 4) cracked head gasket
> > . water gets into the engine oil, check the dipstick
> > for white foam.
> > . water gets into the engine and gets burned, check for
> > white smoke when you drive. (very noticeable, much more
> > than the white cloud you get when the engine warms up in
> > the morning)
> >
> > 5) leaky water pump
> > . This can be a slow leak or just a drip. feel around
> > the water pump pulley there is a tiny weep hole. This should
> > be dry.
> >
> > 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> > If the last person put any of that "no leak" or junk-in-a-can
> > into the coolant system the radiator might be plugged.

Mike Romain

Don't forget to check the clutch on the rad fan....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Eric B wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> Thanks so much for the response. This is one of the frustrating
> moments in life where wish you knew more about _____<insert topic
> here>__.
>
> > 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> I'll take a look this weekend. Although this may be a symptm more
> than "the problem" because the car still overheats when there is
> plenty of fluid.
> I'll check the radiator when the car is cold ...wanna' keep the skin
> i've got.
>
> > 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> The radiator , hosess and water pump were just replace. They could be
> leaking, i'll take a close look. Other than just before the radiator
> was replaced i haven't seen what you described.
>
> > 3) leak in the heater core
> well i'm not sure if you meant the cabin of the car or the engine
> compartment, but can't say i've experienced this in either place.
>
> > 4) cracked head gasket
> The mechanic said he check the head gasket and didn't find a crack.
> I'm taking everything he said skeptically, so i will look for white
> foam in the oil. But, the car defenitely does not pour white smoke.
> Other than the stupid thing overheating, it looks, sounds and runs
> pretty well.
>
> > 5) leaky water pump
> New water pump, but i'll try to find this weep hole and make sure its
> dry.
>
>
> > 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> Got suckered into a new radiator, so i hope no sludge was added to the
> new radiator.
>
> I'm hearing that this isn't a "just throw the car away" type of
> problem. I'm going to go to a dealer near me (northern jersy) and pay
> for diagnostics. And hope they can find something.
>
> Thanks again for the help.
> -eric
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:<oMw1c.25778$1k.12037@okepread01>...
> > Eric B did pass the time by typing:
> >
> > > Am I getting hosed?
> >
> > Dunno.
> >
> > <a few thoughts>
> >
> > Coolant has to go somewhere.
> >
> > 1) crack in line to overflow bottle
> > . Jeep uses a closed system, overflow goes into
> > the coolant bottle and gets sucked back in as
> > the engine cools. A leak here or a broken bottle
> > will slowly drain coolant. There should be no air
> > in the radiator. It should be fully topped off and the
> > overflow bottle should be filled to just above the low
> > mark when the vehicle is cold.
> >
> > 2) leak in the return hose/supply hose/radiator
> > . Usually easy to spot as a stream of water
> > and lots of wet under the hood
> >
> > 3) leak in the heater core
> > . this creates a swamp like situation inside
> >
> > 4) cracked head gasket
> > . water gets into the engine oil, check the dipstick
> > for white foam.
> > . water gets into the engine and gets burned, check for
> > white smoke when you drive. (very noticeable, much more
> > than the white cloud you get when the engine warms up in
> > the morning)
> >
> > 5) leaky water pump
> > . This can be a slow leak or just a drip. feel around
> > the water pump pulley there is a tiny weep hole. This should
> > be dry.
> >
> > 6) buggered up radiator causing overheat.
> > If the last person put any of that "no leak" or junk-in-a-can
> > into the coolant system the radiator might be plugged.

Cherokee-LTD

He said he looked at it in the OP.. 'stops as soon as the engine stops'.
-Brian

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40476E49.B2BB70D4@sympatico.ca...
: Don't forget to check the clutch on the rad fan....
:
: Mike

Cherokee-LTD

He said he looked at it in the OP.. 'stops as soon as the engine stops'.
-Brian

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40476E49.B2BB70D4@sympatico.ca...
: Don't forget to check the clutch on the rad fan....
:
: Mike