William Oliveri

You guys wonder why I'm so damn scared to take my jeep to a mechanic...
These kind of stories burn my @ss. Consumers need to form an alliance to
beat this kind of stuff.

Armature speaking:
Let me ask, why would the guy do a leak down test for coolant loss if
there's no indication that the coolant is going into the oil? Seems to me
he'd just need look at the oil for that creamy look if it's loosing that
much coolant/water?
Leak down is going to show a compromised area between the cylinder and the
water jackets, yes? Would compression be affected?

Also, how does one test the head gasket???? I haven't heard of that one.


Billo







"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Well, you definitely had a coolant loss. You know that your engine
> overheated due to low coolant level. Mechanic B said the water pump and
> radiator leaked, and replaced them. Long story short, it still apparently
> has a coolant loss that Mechanic B can't get a handle on. That's the way
I
> read this.
>
> Time to go to Mechanic C. You gave B a lot of money to replace parts, but
> you need some serious diagnostic ability. You have to find a mechanic
that
> will pinpoint the coolant loss. B's suggestion of replacing the engine
> sounds like he is throwing his hands up in the air, based on the way you
> tell the story.
>
> Chrysler isn't inclined to help you out with this. You didn't buy it from
> them originally, and you apparently didn't inherit the 7/70 warranty from
> the original owner.
>
> Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
> they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong. I
> know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
> these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
> know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
them
> to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
"we
> measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head gasket
> or failed hard part."
>
> Don't give B any more of your money. He has taken enough of it, and does
> not deserve your repeat business.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Eric B" <ericsbounce-google@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:45db61e5.0403031828.50b0c326@posting.google.c om...
> > I appologize if this is a cross post. People over in alt.jeep-l
> > suggested i post here...
> >
> > Let me preface this by saying I only know a bit about cars. I can
> > change a serpentine belt and replace disk brakes, but that's about
> > where it ends. Sorry for the length of the post, I'm just trying to be
> > clear. Anyway ...
> >
> > I purchased a used 2000 Cherokee Sport i6 4.0, 55K miles. I've had a
> > number of problems with it. The biggest problem is overheating.
> >
> > About a month a ago the car started to overheat on a 15 minute ride
> > around town. The latch on the hood broke when I went to take a look,
> > so I couldn't inspect. So i took it to my local mechanic. He said
> > the coolant was nasty so he flushed my radiator and replaced the
> > thermostat. $165
> >
> > The problem reappeared. I was on a long drive and the car overheated.
> > This time I could open the hood :-) The car was out of antifreeze.
> > I was able to add anti-freeze and make it home with the temperature
> > just a notch above normal. So I take it to mechanic #2 because I
> > wasn't comfortable with the first. This might not be my smartest move
> > ever, read on.
> >
> > Mechanic #2 tells me the water pump is leaking. He replaces the water
> > pump. I also complained of the idle not being smooth (seemingly
> > unrelated). He tells me bad coil pack so I'm only running on 3-5
> > cylinders. He performs a full tune up replacing all spark plugs, air
> > filter, spark plug wires and the coil pack. $550.
> >
> > About 2 weeks later the car start overheating. Again low on
> > anti-freeze I take it back to mechanic #2. This time I can see some
> > steam coming out of the radiator where one of the hoses attaches (top
> > left if I'm standing at the grill). He tells the joint on the
> > radiator broke, radiator needs to be replaced. So he replaces
> > radiator, radiator cap and hoses. I also complain that its still not
> > idling correctly, they make adjustments. It's a bit better, but not
> > nearly as smooth as it was right after the tune up, so it goes. $475.
> >
> > About 2 weeks after this I'm driving on the highway and as I'm nearing
> > my destination the car starts running a notch hot. I stop and look
> > the anti-freeze is low. I put anti-freeze in. On my drive home the
> > car overheats a number of times. I bring it back to mechanic #2
> > .fuming at this point .. He performs what he called a "full leak
> > down test". He said they could not find any leaks. He also tested
> > the head gasket, said that was fine. His conclusion? The engine is
> > bad, replace it. Even though the car is out of warranty (65K miles)
> > he suggested I could fight with Chrysler over the engine.
> >
> > So I'm searching Google, trying to come up with information and
> > determine if I am getting railed. I came across this story. It
> > seems remarkably similar.
> > http://www.aera.org/Members/EngineTech/failure.htm
> >
> >
> > Am I getting hosed?
> > Are there really grounds for me to get Chrysler to fix it?
> > Did the mechanic strip something putting in a spark plug (see external
> > story)?
> > Do I really need to replace the engine?
> >
> > Any input would be really appreciated. Spending $3500 to replace the
> > engine just doesn't seem like a viable options right now.
> >
> > Could it be the fule injection system be messed up and running really
> > really lean?
> >
> > I tried to look at the fan clutch, but it seems like the fan stops as
> > soon as i turn the engine off. Is that still an option ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for you help /advice.
> > -eric
>
>

William Oliveri

You guys wonder why I'm so damn scared to take my jeep to a mechanic...
These kind of stories burn my @ss. Consumers need to form an alliance to
beat this kind of stuff.

Armature speaking:
Let me ask, why would the guy do a leak down test for coolant loss if
there's no indication that the coolant is going into the oil? Seems to me
he'd just need look at the oil for that creamy look if it's loosing that
much coolant/water?
Leak down is going to show a compromised area between the cylinder and the
water jackets, yes? Would compression be affected?

Also, how does one test the head gasket???? I haven't heard of that one.


Billo







"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Well, you definitely had a coolant loss. You know that your engine
> overheated due to low coolant level. Mechanic B said the water pump and
> radiator leaked, and replaced them. Long story short, it still apparently
> has a coolant loss that Mechanic B can't get a handle on. That's the way
I
> read this.
>
> Time to go to Mechanic C. You gave B a lot of money to replace parts, but
> you need some serious diagnostic ability. You have to find a mechanic
that
> will pinpoint the coolant loss. B's suggestion of replacing the engine
> sounds like he is throwing his hands up in the air, based on the way you
> tell the story.
>
> Chrysler isn't inclined to help you out with this. You didn't buy it from
> them originally, and you apparently didn't inherit the 7/70 warranty from
> the original owner.
>
> Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
> they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong. I
> know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
> these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
> know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
them
> to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
"we
> measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head gasket
> or failed hard part."
>
> Don't give B any more of your money. He has taken enough of it, and does
> not deserve your repeat business.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Eric B" <ericsbounce-google@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:45db61e5.0403031828.50b0c326@posting.google.c om...
> > I appologize if this is a cross post. People over in alt.jeep-l
> > suggested i post here...
> >
> > Let me preface this by saying I only know a bit about cars. I can
> > change a serpentine belt and replace disk brakes, but that's about
> > where it ends. Sorry for the length of the post, I'm just trying to be
> > clear. Anyway ...
> >
> > I purchased a used 2000 Cherokee Sport i6 4.0, 55K miles. I've had a
> > number of problems with it. The biggest problem is overheating.
> >
> > About a month a ago the car started to overheat on a 15 minute ride
> > around town. The latch on the hood broke when I went to take a look,
> > so I couldn't inspect. So i took it to my local mechanic. He said
> > the coolant was nasty so he flushed my radiator and replaced the
> > thermostat. $165
> >
> > The problem reappeared. I was on a long drive and the car overheated.
> > This time I could open the hood :-) The car was out of antifreeze.
> > I was able to add anti-freeze and make it home with the temperature
> > just a notch above normal. So I take it to mechanic #2 because I
> > wasn't comfortable with the first. This might not be my smartest move
> > ever, read on.
> >
> > Mechanic #2 tells me the water pump is leaking. He replaces the water
> > pump. I also complained of the idle not being smooth (seemingly
> > unrelated). He tells me bad coil pack so I'm only running on 3-5
> > cylinders. He performs a full tune up replacing all spark plugs, air
> > filter, spark plug wires and the coil pack. $550.
> >
> > About 2 weeks later the car start overheating. Again low on
> > anti-freeze I take it back to mechanic #2. This time I can see some
> > steam coming out of the radiator where one of the hoses attaches (top
> > left if I'm standing at the grill). He tells the joint on the
> > radiator broke, radiator needs to be replaced. So he replaces
> > radiator, radiator cap and hoses. I also complain that its still not
> > idling correctly, they make adjustments. It's a bit better, but not
> > nearly as smooth as it was right after the tune up, so it goes. $475.
> >
> > About 2 weeks after this I'm driving on the highway and as I'm nearing
> > my destination the car starts running a notch hot. I stop and look
> > the anti-freeze is low. I put anti-freeze in. On my drive home the
> > car overheats a number of times. I bring it back to mechanic #2
> > .fuming at this point .. He performs what he called a "full leak
> > down test". He said they could not find any leaks. He also tested
> > the head gasket, said that was fine. His conclusion? The engine is
> > bad, replace it. Even though the car is out of warranty (65K miles)
> > he suggested I could fight with Chrysler over the engine.
> >
> > So I'm searching Google, trying to come up with information and
> > determine if I am getting railed. I came across this story. It
> > seems remarkably similar.
> > http://www.aera.org/Members/EngineTech/failure.htm
> >
> >
> > Am I getting hosed?
> > Are there really grounds for me to get Chrysler to fix it?
> > Did the mechanic strip something putting in a spark plug (see external
> > story)?
> > Do I really need to replace the engine?
> >
> > Any input would be really appreciated. Spending $3500 to replace the
> > engine just doesn't seem like a viable options right now.
> >
> > Could it be the fule injection system be messed up and running really
> > really lean?
> >
> > I tried to look at the fan clutch, but it seems like the fan stops as
> > soon as i turn the engine off. Is that still an option ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for you help /advice.
> > -eric
>
>

William Oliveri

You guys wonder why I'm so damn scared to take my jeep to a mechanic...
These kind of stories burn my @ss. Consumers need to form an alliance to
beat this kind of stuff.

Armature speaking:
Let me ask, why would the guy do a leak down test for coolant loss if
there's no indication that the coolant is going into the oil? Seems to me
he'd just need look at the oil for that creamy look if it's loosing that
much coolant/water?
Leak down is going to show a compromised area between the cylinder and the
water jackets, yes? Would compression be affected?

Also, how does one test the head gasket???? I haven't heard of that one.


Billo







"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Well, you definitely had a coolant loss. You know that your engine
> overheated due to low coolant level. Mechanic B said the water pump and
> radiator leaked, and replaced them. Long story short, it still apparently
> has a coolant loss that Mechanic B can't get a handle on. That's the way
I
> read this.
>
> Time to go to Mechanic C. You gave B a lot of money to replace parts, but
> you need some serious diagnostic ability. You have to find a mechanic
that
> will pinpoint the coolant loss. B's suggestion of replacing the engine
> sounds like he is throwing his hands up in the air, based on the way you
> tell the story.
>
> Chrysler isn't inclined to help you out with this. You didn't buy it from
> them originally, and you apparently didn't inherit the 7/70 warranty from
> the original owner.
>
> Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
> they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong. I
> know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
> these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
> know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
them
> to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
"we
> measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head gasket
> or failed hard part."
>
> Don't give B any more of your money. He has taken enough of it, and does
> not deserve your repeat business.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Eric B" <ericsbounce-google@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:45db61e5.0403031828.50b0c326@posting.google.c om...
> > I appologize if this is a cross post. People over in alt.jeep-l
> > suggested i post here...
> >
> > Let me preface this by saying I only know a bit about cars. I can
> > change a serpentine belt and replace disk brakes, but that's about
> > where it ends. Sorry for the length of the post, I'm just trying to be
> > clear. Anyway ...
> >
> > I purchased a used 2000 Cherokee Sport i6 4.0, 55K miles. I've had a
> > number of problems with it. The biggest problem is overheating.
> >
> > About a month a ago the car started to overheat on a 15 minute ride
> > around town. The latch on the hood broke when I went to take a look,
> > so I couldn't inspect. So i took it to my local mechanic. He said
> > the coolant was nasty so he flushed my radiator and replaced the
> > thermostat. $165
> >
> > The problem reappeared. I was on a long drive and the car overheated.
> > This time I could open the hood :-) The car was out of antifreeze.
> > I was able to add anti-freeze and make it home with the temperature
> > just a notch above normal. So I take it to mechanic #2 because I
> > wasn't comfortable with the first. This might not be my smartest move
> > ever, read on.
> >
> > Mechanic #2 tells me the water pump is leaking. He replaces the water
> > pump. I also complained of the idle not being smooth (seemingly
> > unrelated). He tells me bad coil pack so I'm only running on 3-5
> > cylinders. He performs a full tune up replacing all spark plugs, air
> > filter, spark plug wires and the coil pack. $550.
> >
> > About 2 weeks later the car start overheating. Again low on
> > anti-freeze I take it back to mechanic #2. This time I can see some
> > steam coming out of the radiator where one of the hoses attaches (top
> > left if I'm standing at the grill). He tells the joint on the
> > radiator broke, radiator needs to be replaced. So he replaces
> > radiator, radiator cap and hoses. I also complain that its still not
> > idling correctly, they make adjustments. It's a bit better, but not
> > nearly as smooth as it was right after the tune up, so it goes. $475.
> >
> > About 2 weeks after this I'm driving on the highway and as I'm nearing
> > my destination the car starts running a notch hot. I stop and look
> > the anti-freeze is low. I put anti-freeze in. On my drive home the
> > car overheats a number of times. I bring it back to mechanic #2
> > .fuming at this point .. He performs what he called a "full leak
> > down test". He said they could not find any leaks. He also tested
> > the head gasket, said that was fine. His conclusion? The engine is
> > bad, replace it. Even though the car is out of warranty (65K miles)
> > he suggested I could fight with Chrysler over the engine.
> >
> > So I'm searching Google, trying to come up with information and
> > determine if I am getting railed. I came across this story. It
> > seems remarkably similar.
> > http://www.aera.org/Members/EngineTech/failure.htm
> >
> >
> > Am I getting hosed?
> > Are there really grounds for me to get Chrysler to fix it?
> > Did the mechanic strip something putting in a spark plug (see external
> > story)?
> > Do I really need to replace the engine?
> >
> > Any input would be really appreciated. Spending $3500 to replace the
> > engine just doesn't seem like a viable options right now.
> >
> > Could it be the fule injection system be messed up and running really
> > really lean?
> >
> > I tried to look at the fan clutch, but it seems like the fan stops as
> > soon as i turn the engine off. Is that still an option ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for you help /advice.
> > -eric
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

He tests for exhaust gases.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> You guys wonder why I'm so damn scared to take my jeep to a mechanic...
> These kind of stories burn my @ss. Consumers need to form an alliance to
> beat this kind of stuff.
>
> Armature speaking:
> Let me ask, why would the guy do a leak down test for coolant loss if
> there's no indication that the coolant is going into the oil? Seems to me
> he'd just need look at the oil for that creamy look if it's loosing that
> much coolant/water?
> Leak down is going to show a compromised area between the cylinder and the
> water jackets, yes? Would compression be affected?
>
> Also, how does one test the head gasket???? I haven't heard of that one.
>
> Billo

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

He tests for exhaust gases.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> You guys wonder why I'm so damn scared to take my jeep to a mechanic...
> These kind of stories burn my @ss. Consumers need to form an alliance to
> beat this kind of stuff.
>
> Armature speaking:
> Let me ask, why would the guy do a leak down test for coolant loss if
> there's no indication that the coolant is going into the oil? Seems to me
> he'd just need look at the oil for that creamy look if it's loosing that
> much coolant/water?
> Leak down is going to show a compromised area between the cylinder and the
> water jackets, yes? Would compression be affected?
>
> Also, how does one test the head gasket???? I haven't heard of that one.
>
> Billo

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

He tests for exhaust gases.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> You guys wonder why I'm so damn scared to take my jeep to a mechanic...
> These kind of stories burn my @ss. Consumers need to form an alliance to
> beat this kind of stuff.
>
> Armature speaking:
> Let me ask, why would the guy do a leak down test for coolant loss if
> there's no indication that the coolant is going into the oil? Seems to me
> he'd just need look at the oil for that creamy look if it's loosing that
> much coolant/water?
> Leak down is going to show a compromised area between the cylinder and the
> water jackets, yes? Would compression be affected?
>
> Also, how does one test the head gasket???? I haven't heard of that one.
>
> Billo

Mark12211

Bring to it a Dealer.

Mark12211

Bring to it a Dealer.

Mark12211

Bring to it a Dealer.

Snow

"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:404698fe_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Make an appointment with the local Jeep dealer. Give them the $75 or so
> they want to diagnose it, and let them tell you what is actually wrong. I
> know a lot of people have a hard on for the dealers, but let's face it:
> these guys stare at 4.0 liter engines all day every day, they might just
> know something about them. Then when they tell you what is wrong, ask
them
> to explain how they came to that conclusion, so that you are clear, i.e.
"we
> measured hydrocarbons in your cooling system, indicating a bad head gasket
> or failed hard part."

Only problem with some stealerships is that they will pass this vehicle off
to the "new guy", who many times is not all that experienced with the 4.0 ,
yes he knows how to change the spark plugs, change the oil and stuff like
that. You need to talk to your local service manager and see if the stealer
has a dedicated "jeep guy". Stealership I used to go to had one of the best
around, he would also lend out his jeep if the situation dictated so he
could drive the customers jeep and pin point the problem. Too bad the new
service manager didn't realize what he had before he let the gent go.

Snow...